Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
(1) I'm not Daryl, and not familiar with the book, but index proves nothing.
(2) Daryl calls Eric a coward on his website? Where?
(a) Did Eric lie?
(b) Israel is a supposed ally to US. They shouldn't need spies.
(c) *yawn*
Please point me to anything worth replying to. :
Too much to go step by step over conjecture.
PersianPaladin wrote:
Madthumbs, are you going to reply to this guy?
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April 10, 2006
Daryl Bradford Smith had no guest today. He gave one of his typical rants instead. Here are the highlights:
(1) Daryl Bradford Smith asserts that Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe deals with Talmudic history and with the "Frankists," etc. As noted in an earlier post, no where in the book does Koestler mention the name "Jakob Frank." Not once. See the index yourself. [1]
(2) Daryl Bradford Smith takes a lot of time today talking about this new page on his Website. [2] He claims that it is a summary of why he and the coward Eric Hufschmid believe the Mossad carried out the 9/11 attacks. It's perhaps useful to look over their reasons.
(a) The Five Dancing Arabs
It is often claimed that five dancing Israelis -- dressed as Arabs -- were celebrating in New Jersey as the WTC fell down across the river. Hufschmid writes, "The police discovered that they were Israeli army veterans, not Arabs."
Let me say this once again -- every Israeli over age 18 serves in the Army and all men are reservists until age 54. That they were army veterans is, therefore, a moot point at best.
Two links are offered, one to the Washington Post and one to the London Telegraph. But neither story, while talking about Israelis on visas being detained after 9/11, talks about dancing Israelis. The links are there to fool you into thinking that Hufschmid has proof for his claims. If he had proof, he'd offer an article that mentioned these dancing Israelis. He doesn't because he can't..
(b) The Israeli Spy Ring
Let's assume that this is true. Does it prove that the Mossad carried out 9/11? No, it doesn't. All it proves is that Israel spies on us. We spy on Israel. All countries spy on other countries, if they have decent intelligence services. It's no big news that Israel spies on us; that's why Jonathan Pollard is in jail.
(c) Larry Silverstein is a Zionist
Oh, my God! A Jewish guy is a Zionist. Well this particular Jewish guy apparently was the landlord of several of the WTC buildings. What does this prove? Nothing.
(d) Pentagon Cannot Account for $2.6 Trillion
So what? I mean, yes, it's shocking that the Pentagon lost this much money (though they do spend roughly one-eighth that amount per year), but it proves that 9/11 was carried out by the Mossad? No, it doesn't.
(e) The 9/11 Attack Follows a Pattern
Supposedly, the 9/11 attack follows other Israeli military/intelligence operations carried out against the U.S. First of all, the bombing of the King David Hotel by the Irgun was not a hidden attack, nor was it against the U.S. -- it was against the U.K. base of operations in Palestine. As for as it being secret, it was not only did Begin claim responsibility for the attack, but he phoned ahead to let people know the building had a bomb in it.
The Lavon Affair was an attack on the U.S., but it was never approved by the Prime Minster (Moshe Sharrett). It was the individual initiative taken by Yitzhak Lavon, the defense minister, to shore up support for Israel. It was successfully covered up for six-odd years, but the truth ultimately came to light. It is, in fact, the only attack by Israel on the U.S. that was ever carried out purposefully.
The attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was an accident, as noted elsewhere by me.
How Zionist boycotts of Germany are involved in all this, I have no idea. Nowhere in Untermeyer's speech does he say he is doing it to stir up anti-Semitism. Rather, he says he is doing it as a reaction against anti-Semitism. You can read the transcript yourself and see. [3]
So there really is no pattern of Israeli attacks against the U.S.
(f) Israelis Are Suspected of Instigating Fights Even Today in Iraq
Smith and Hufschmid offer no mainstream sources to support this allegation.
(g) The Media is Controlled by Zionists
This would be their answer to my answer to (f) above, I suppose. But still, even if we accept this notion as 100 percent true (and I'm not sure we can -- not even every Jew is a Zionist), does this prove that 9/11 was carried out by the Mossad? No, it does not.
(h) Zionists Have a World-Wide Network
Smith and Hufschmid write, "Millions of dollars of profit were made in suspicious stock trades. The governments of America, Europe, and Japan announced plans to investigate in order to determine who the investors were. However, every investigation was terminated." Again, what proof do they offer? None. If the Zionist network is large, it is because there are Jewish communities all over the world. Does this prove the Mossad carried out 9/11. Nope.
(i) Most of the 9/11 Truth Seekers are Zionists
Again, this would require some sort of proof.
Actually, this is untrue. This only points to Smith's pattern of pointing to his enemies and labeling them Zionists, myself included, without a shred of proof. Find a pro-Israel statement by Alex Jones or Webster Tarpley. Can you?
(j) Most People Pushing UFOs are Zionists
Even if this were true (and I doubt it), so what?
(k) AIPAC and Jack Abramoff
Here Hufschmid and Smith provide two sources on whether Abramoff aided in the 9/11 attacks. The first is Daniel Hopsicker, who says Mohammad Atta was a guest on Abrahmoff's boat. He is the only source they cite. Is this proof of a Mossad 9/11 conspiracy?
The other person they cite is Juan Cole, who is far more credible. The only problem is that Cole doesn't mention 9/11 in his article; he mentions Israeli attacks in the Palestinian territories.
That's the extent of the "proof" offered for Mossad complicity in the 9/11 attacks. Often they will also mention that 4,000 Zionists and Jews were told to stay home on 9/11. My wife's cousin, who was Jewish, was killed in the North Tower on 9/11. Why didn't he get a call? Look at the list of victims and see the Jewish last names. [4] Why weren't they told to stay home?
(3) Daryl Bradford Smith repeats the lie that Judaism allows men to have sex with children. I have already addressed this in one of Smith's interviews with Ted Pike.
I never thaught it was for oil anyways!!! It was allways about sexual intercourse over the arabs so israel can steal more of their land!!!
Cheers
Chris
(Have to admit i haven't been through all the links, so i can't promise it's all good..)
Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:51 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
^^ those sites should be dying off. Ever since Painful Deceptions we've had enough evidence to show that 911 was carried out by the Zionists. We don't need to keep discussing what kind of plane was flown into the Pentagon, or What kind of engine the Boeing used. We need to stop pointing a 1 or 2 patsies and start naming names and making arrests! If we're not to that point, then maybe we need to start talking more about Zionism! Start exposing the polititians that accept money from Israel. Don't let the disinfo sites keep us in a rut of inactivity and debating about little things. If you go to these sites; bop them on the heads get them to start doing something more effective.
911 is history; lets learn from it and work on shaping our future! The US is on the brink of financial collapse.. what are we gonna do about it?
Well, much like everything else going on in the world today, no matter which way you look, it always leads back to zionists.
Hell, you could almost change the "Six Degrees of Separation" game to "Six Degrees of Zionist Deception."
Thats why every evil topic on every "open forum" worldwide leads to zionism one way or the other!!!. Personally i say "screw you little man" to all those that are too ignorant to support my views of "vapourising Israel" as there is no alternative as proven for the last 60 years!
Cheers
chris
Well, much like everything else going on in the world today, no matter which way you look, it always leads back to zionists.
Hell, you could almost change the "Six Degrees of Separation" game to "Six Degrees of Zionist Deception."
Thats why every evil topic on every "open forum" worldwide leads to zionism one way or the other!!!. Personally i say "screw you little man" to all those that are too ignorant to support my views of "vapourising Israel" as there is no alternative as proven for the last 60 years!
Cheers
chris
Exactly! Just like Richard Cohen said:
"The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Moslems (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now."
not to mention the pilot of the plane that bombed the ship, came out afterwards and stated that 3 times he stated that "are you sure? this is an american ship" and they threatened him with a court martial if he didnt attack it.
It was a "false flag" attack. used as pretense for war.
Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:39 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
It was a cover up for mass murder (war crimes) that were witnessed
then we can discuss the issues starting with the eyewitness acount + official version
Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:16 pm
Gunther
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 358 Location: You Already Know Where I Am!!!
Is it possible that we can take this situation a little further... and see the larger evil behind Zionism!!!
How can anyone relate this group to any kind of religious institution... when it only showed /shows the evil side of humanity!!!
Who would stoop so lower than low... to use a religious group for political and other purposes...
But if and when you go into the history of religions you find a different and weird reality!!! So here we have a situation in the middle east that can't be stopped... what about the masses all over the world that are still under that same religious programming!!!
It does become bigger... but not much bigger than that which is to come!!!
Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:30 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
*updated OP with German Intelligence Report
Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:04 am
funzone36
Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 707 Location: Toronto,Canada (biggest Canadian city)
The greatest and most groundbreaking feature of this forum is that it exposes zionism. Period.
Keep it up MadThumbs.
Maybe there is something seriously wrong in Jewish DNA.
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