daro2009 i suggest you read some other religious books,
like Quran, or Buddha's Way.
You will make yourself a favor by educating yourself.
and as MT told there's numerical code in pyramides as well
Do you see the things in the article you posted like
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These are facts that will be valuable for a person with an open heart --not that you have to throw your head away in order to believe these facts; but if you do not want to believe, NOTHING will convince you.
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Does not this statement plays on ego with
"it is valuable only for a person with open heart"
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Does it not assume that
"these are facts"
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What does this
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Voltaire, 250 years ago, held a copy of the Bible in one hand and said, "In 100 this book will be forgotten, eliminated." What is hilarious is that 100 years later, to the day, his house was made the headquarters of the Geneva Bible Society, and they were distributing Bibles out of his house! God has an incredible sense of humor!
has to do with authenticity of the Bible?
Doesnt this
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Say you were going to write a book, and this is how you had to write it: Take 40 different writers for a start, totally different writers –some highly educated, even doctors. Then get some farmers. Go and dig a guy out of a ranch and say, "I would like you to help me write a book." Then you find some fishermen --you go down to the wharf --a couple of guys from San Francisco, and say, "Hey! listen, help us write a book." And they say, "Sure, fine...we will help you." And then you get them to write on the following things: religious themes, poetry, ethics, science, philosophy, the creation of the Universe and where it's going (throw in a few things about where they think it will all end.) You collect all that, and then...oh, by the way, you have to separate these people so they can't communicate by phone or telegram... only possibly by word of mouth, passed down over the years. Ah, yes, years... you collect all this stuff over about one and a half thousand years, and compile the whole thing in one book. What would you have? I suggest that you take a biology textbook from 60 years ago, and compare it with one today. And that is just 60 years! I know what you would have, you would have the most motley junk you have ever seen in your whole life --with people totally contradicting each other! But that is not what you have when you read your Bible. The more you read this book, the more incredible the unity of it. Because the more you get into it, the more incredibly detailed it is, and you find out there are not forty people who wrote it, but one person.
look like brainwashing?
What kind of argument is that?
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The Bible is scientifically accurate. The same God who created the universe wrote it. (No statement in the Scriptures is scientifically incorrect). At the time that the Bible was written, they thought that the world was flat and held up by three elephants. Big elephants. Someone asked, "What holds the world up?" Another said, "Three elephants." Then someone ventured to ask, "And what holds up the elephants??" It was answered, "A big tortoise." And so the early sciences grew.
Now, listen to what God said. Remember, this wasn't written in the last hundred years, or even the last thousand. This comes from over 2500 years ago... "Have ye not known? Have ye not heard?...Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:21,22). The word "circle" is the word "sphere" in Hebrew. Also, "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7). (So much for the elephants!)
When were the pyramides built?
Did you heard about the chamber in pyramide with a hole in the wall - the light passes through this hole and shines on pharoah sarcofagus only once per year at the same day.
Do you think it is possible to build such a thing with assuming that earth is flat?
Did God build the pyramides?
And as for these mathematical things - i dont believe that for simple reason. Many of them were debunked, and many were found out to be made by religious lunatics, who adapted the letters in the book to fit their results.
I wont spend my life debunking them.
It is enough for me to see the enormous racism in the Bible, even in New Testament to understand that something is wrong here.
The biggest problem of all Bible believers imo is that absolute majority of them never studied any other religion, and never read any other religious book.
Is it forbidden by the Bible ot the priests?
Are you afraid what will you find?
daro2009 i suggest you read some other religious books,
like Quran, or Buddha's Way.
Why should I read books written by Satan?
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The Bible is scientifically accurate. The same God who created the universe wrote it. (No statement in the Scriptures is scientifically incorrect). At the time that the Bible was written, they thought that the world was flat and held up by three elephants. Big elephants. Someone asked, "What holds the world up?" Another said, "Three elephants." Then someone ventured to ask, "And what holds up the elephants??" It was answered, "A big tortoise." And so the early sciences grew.
Now, listen to what God said. Remember, this wasn't written in the last hundred years, or even the last thousand. This comes from over 2500 years ago... "Have ye not known? Have ye not heard?...Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:21,22). The word "circle" is the word "sphere" in Hebrew. Also, "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7). (So much for the elephants!)
When were the pyramides built?
Did you heard about the chamber in pyramide with a hole in the wall - the light passes through this hole and shines on pharoah sarcofagus only once per year at the same day.
Do you think it is possible to build such a thing with assuming that earth is flat?
Did God build the pyramides?
It is spelt pyramid you idoit. No one knows how the Great Pyramid was built but it was built before the great flood and is the only known pre-flood structure of the world. So the age of the Great Pyramid is at least 4,400 to 6,000 years old.
Tests have been done on the sarcophagus and as far as the scientists have discovered no body has ever been buried there.
Some people have thoerised that the Great Pyramid is a Chirstian symbol. You can take the broad passage and end up in the pit or take the narrow passage and go to the king's chamber.
Christians have never believed that the Earth was flat.
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And as for these mathematical things - i dont believe that for simple reason. Many of them were debunked, and many were found out to be made by religious lunatics, who adapted the letters in the book to fit their results.
I wont spend my life debunking them.
Every word in the Bible in the original langauge when each letter is translated into its numerical equivalent adds up to or is multiplyed by or is divide by 7. You couldn't write a book the size of the Bible that could have such a numerical pattern it is humanly impossible.
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It is enough for me to see the enormous racism in the Bible, even in New Testament to understand that something is wrong here.
Please cite an example?
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The biggest problem of all Bible believers imo is that absolute majority of them never studied any other religion, and never read any other religious book.
Is it forbidden by the Bible ot the priests?
Are you afraid what will you find?
Why should I read a book written by Satan when the truth is already in the Bible?
daro2009 do you understand that pahriseic (nowadays) plan to takeover the world is dated at least 2500 years ago?
when was the bible written?
can you accept the possibility that it was spoiled to "fit the plan"?
if the words of the false apostle Paul didnt make you suspicious, there is more to that
- there is whole pack of books called Apocrypha removed from the KJV Bible - there were not even verses changed, the whole books were removed.
I have a firm belief in the creator, and i think it takes a lot of ignorance to see the world around us and reject creation.
What do you think of people ignorant when it comes to exposure of Biblical fallacies?
What do you think about other religions, for example Buddhism, Hinduism?
Did you read their books?
What do you think about Islam?
Did you read the Quran?
Catholics will tell you, "You Protestants are missing part of the Bible. We have the rest of it." This can throw people off, but it no longer has to. These false Catholic additions to the Bible are commonly called the Apocrypha or sometimes the Deuterocanonical books. This is a short treatise on WHY these books are not in the Bible.
What is the Apocrypha anyway?
The Apocrypha is a collection of uninspired, spurious books written by various individuals. The Catholic religion considers these books as scripture just like a Bible-believer believes that our 66 books are the word of God, i.e., Genesis to Revelation. We are going to examine some verses from the Apocrypha later in our discussion.
At the Council of Trent (1546) the Roman Catholic religion pronounced the following apocryphal books sacred. They asserted that the apocryphal books together with unwritten tradition are of God and are to be received and venerated as the Word of God. So now you have the Bible, the Apocrypha and Catholic Tradition as co-equal sources of truth for the Catholic. In reality, the Bible is the last source of truth for Catholics. Catholic doctrine comes primarily from tradition stuck together with a few Bible names. In my reading of Catholic materials, I find notes like this: "You have to keep the Bible in perspective." Catholics do not believe that the Bible is God's complete revelation for man.
The Roman Catholic Apocrypha
Tobit
Judith
Wisdom
Ecclesiasticus
Baruch
First and Second Maccabees
Additions to Esther and Daniel
Apocryphal Books rejected by the Catholic Religion:
First and Second Esdras
Prayer of Manasses
Susanna*
*A reader says: "Susanna is in the Roman Catholic canon. It is Daniel 13."
Why the Apocrypha Isn't in the Bible.
Not one of the apocryphal books is written in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament. All Apocryphal books are in Greek, except one which is extant only in Latin.
None of the apocryphal writers laid claim to inspiration.
The apocryphal books were never acknowledged as sacred scriptures by the Jews, custodians of the Hebrew scriptures (the apocrypha was written prior to the New Testament). In fact, the Jewish people rejected and destroyed the apocrypha after the overthow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
The apocryphal books were not permitted among the sacred books during the first four centuries of the real Christian church (I'm certainly not talking about the Catholic religion which is not Christian).
The Apocrypha contains fabulous statements which not only contradict the "canonical" scriptures but themselves. For example, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in three different places.
The Apocrypha includes doctrines in variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection. The following verses are taken from the Apocrypha translation by Ronald Knox dated 1954:
Basis for the doctrine of purgatory:
2 Maccabees 12:43-45, 2.000 pieces of silver were sent to Jerusalem for a sin-offering...Whereupon he made reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin.
Salvation by works:
Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.
Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin.
Magic:
Tobit 6:5-8, If the Devil, or an evil spirit troubles anyone, they can be driven away by making a smoke of the heart, liver, and gall of a fish...and the Devil will smell it, and flee away, and never come again anymore.
Mary was born sinless (immaculate conception):
Wisdom 8:19-20, And I was a witty child and had received a good soul. And whereas I was more good, I came to a body undefiled.
It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assasination and magical incantation.
No apocryphal book is referred to in the New Testament whereas the Old Testament is referred to hundreds of times.
Because of these and other reasons, the apocryphal books are only valuable as ancient documents illustrative of the manners, language, opinions and history of the East.
Wasn't the Apocrypha in the King James?
The King James translators never considered the Apocrypha the word of God. As books of some historical value, the Apocrypha was sandwiched between the Old and New Testaments as an appendix of reference material. This followed the format that Luther had used. Luther prefaced the Apocrypha with a statement:
"Apocrypha--that is, books which are not regarded as equal to the holy Scriputres, and yet are profitable and good to read."
King James Version Defended page 98.
In 1599, TWELVE YEARS BEFORE the King James Bible was published, King James said this about the Apocrypha:
"As to the Apocriphe bookes, I OMIT THEM because I am no Papist (as I said before)..."
King James Charles Stewart
Basilicon Doron, page 13
Not only this, but the sixth article of the Thirty-nine Articles of the Church of England (1571 edition) states:
In the name of the Holy, we do vnderstande those canonical bookes of the olde and newe Testament, of whose authoritie was never any doubt in the Churche...
Now concerning the apocrypha it states,
And the other bookes, (as Hierome sayeth), the Churche doth reade for example of life and instruction of manners: but yet doth it not applie them to establish any doctrene [sic].
Philip Schaff, Creeds of Christendom. Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1977, Vol. III, pp. 489-491.
The Apocrypha began to be omitted from the Authorized Version in 1629. Puritans and Presbyterians lobbied for the complete removal of the Apocrypha from the Bible and in 1825 the British and Foreign Bible Society agreed. From that time on, the Apocrypha has been eliminated from practically all English Bibles--Catholic Bibles and some pulpit Bibles excepted.
Not even all Catholic "Church Fathers" believed the Apocrypha was scripture.
Not that this really means anything. The truth is not validated by the false. Nevertheless, this may be of interest to some... Jerome (340-420) rejected the Apocrypha:
"As the Church reads the books of Judith and Tobit and Maccabees but does not receive them among the canonical Scriptures, so also it reads Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus for the edification of the people, not for the authoritative confirmation of doctrine."
Jerome
Jerome's preface to the books of Solomon
According to Edward Hills in The King James Version Defended p. 98 other famous Catholics with this viewpoint include Augustine (354-430 who at first defended the Apocrypha as canonical), Pope Gregory the Great (540-604), Cardinal Ximenes, and Cardinal Cajetan.
There are other spurious books.
These include the Pseudepigrapha which contains Enoch, Michael the Archangel, and Jannes and Jambres. Many of these books falsely claim to have been written by various Old Testament patriarchs. They were composed between 200 B.C. and 100 A.D. There are lots of these spurious books like The Assumption of Moses, Apocalypse of Elijah, and Ascension of Isaiah.
Concerning the Dead Sea Scrolls, there may be some information in them that parallels the Masoretic Text, but there are fables in them too. I went to see the scrolls a few years ago with great expectation but found a bunch of fables. The best defense against error in any form (fake Bibles and religions) is a solid knowledge of your King James Bible. If you read it, forgeries become readily apparent.
daro2009 do you understand that pahriseic (nowadays) plan to takeover the world is dated at least 2500 years ago?
when was the bible written?
can you accept the possibility that it was spoiled to "fit the plan"?
if the words of the false apostle Paul didnt make you suspicious, there is more to that
- there is whole pack of books called Apocrypha removed from the KJV Bible - there were not even verses changed, the whole books were removed.
I have a firm belief in the creator, and i think it takes a lot of ignorance to see the world around us and reject creation.
What do you think of people ignorant when it comes to exposure of Biblical fallacies?
What do you think about other religions, for example Buddhism, Hinduism?
Did you read their books?
What do you think about Islam?
Did you read the Quran?
Why should the elite bother to rewrite the Bible when false theory of Evolution seems to be doing such a good job of discrediting the Word of God?
Better for the elite to completely ignore the Bible it seems to me.
People are willingly ignorant(in the Greek that translates as dumb on purpose) of the Bible already. They are willingly ignorant of how the heavens and the earth were created, that the earth was in the water and out of the water at the same time. Also that this world is destroyed by water in the flood and lastly that there is a coming judgement and it is coming whether you believe in God or not.
I don't bother reading books of false religions started by Satan.
Why should the elite bother to rewrite the Bible when false theory of Evolution seems to be doing such a good job of discrediting the Word of God?
Better for the elite to completely ignore the Bible it seems to me.
People are willingly ignorant(in the Greek that translates as dumb on purpose) of the Bible already. They are willingly ignorant of how the heavens and the earth were created, that the earth was in the water and out of the water at the same time. Also that this world is destroyed by water in the flood and lastly that there is a coming judgement and it is coming whether you believe in God or not.
I don't bother reading books of false religions started by Satan.
daro, some of your posts have been intelligent and then you go off saying things like this..../shrug
Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:17 pm
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Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 358 Location: You Already Know Where I Am!!!
madthumbs wrote:
Gunther, since you propose to be more enlightened than the people exposing Zionism; what is your plan to end the world conflict and situation we're in? How is your information more effective? What exactly are we doing wrong by exposing Zionism?
Sorry if I missed it, but most of what I'm reading from you is just Daryl bashing. Imho Daryl seems to have a workable plan and realistic outlook.
Quite the contrary Thumbz... IMHO Daryll is doing a great job, but I think for those long enough in this awakening... they should be able to go further into history and understand the grand plan!!! Unless you do that... you become part of the plan and you were catered for!!!
I think he should do a months "pre-zionist" shows just to give us a broader perspective because I sincerely believe that dealing with this situation needs some clearance... and it seems he or you is not willing to do so!!!
Why should the elite bother to rewrite the Bible when false theory of Evolution seems to be doing such a good job of discrediting the Word of God?
Better for the elite to completely ignore the Bible it seems to me.
People are willingly ignorant(in the Greek that translates as dumb on purpose) of the Bible already. They are willingly ignorant of how the heavens and the earth were created, that the earth was in the water and out of the water at the same time. Also that this world is destroyed by water in the flood and lastly that there is a coming judgement and it is coming whether you believe in God or not.
I don't bother reading books of false religions started by Satan.
daro, some of your posts have been intelligent and then you go off saying things like this..../shrug
If what I say is wrong and rubbish then nothing matters. There is no point to this life, if it feels good do it. According to Icke after this life we just join this one big conscience in another dimension so what you do in this life doesn't really matter
But if I am right and God exists then there must be some rules in this life. This is God's world and he can destroy it any time he likes. We are just the tennents of this world.
daro2096,
i didnt call you the idiot despite it is you who uses idiotic arguments.
And english is not my native language.
I speak fluently 5 languages.
How many do you speak to call me an idiot for misspelling the word?
Besides you spelled the word idiot wrong
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It is spelt pyramid you idoit.
Check this out:
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Benjamin Freedman wrote:
daro2009 i suggest you read some other religious books,
like Quran, or Buddha's Way.
daro2096 wrote:
Why should I read books written by Satan?
This is exactly the answer you get from fanatics from other religious sects when you tell them to read the Bible.
Why should you read this forum?
Maybe it was written by Satan?
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Christians have never believed that the Earth was flat.
Really?
Giordano Bruno has certainly different opinion.
As for racism:
new testament
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"Matthew 15:25-26 25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."
see also: Mark 7:26-27 26
-The Children are obviously Israelites, and the dogs are clearly a reference to Greeks.
old testament is totally racist.
Go and slay children of your enemies etc etc.
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Why should the elite bother to rewrite the Bible when false theory of Evolution seems to be doing such a good job of discrediting the Word of God?
Better for the elite to completely ignore the Bible it seems to me.
People are willingly ignorant(in the Greek that translates as dumb on purpose) of the Bible already. They are willingly ignorant of how the heavens and the earth were created, that the earth was in the water and out of the water at the same time. Also that this world is destroyed by water in the flood and lastly that there is a coming judgement and it is coming whether you believe in God or not.
I don't bother reading books of false religions started by Satan.
sure coming judgement and rapture - exactly by plan of Zionists.
Don't even bother read other books, you may discover that Buddhism is probably most peaceful religion - surely more peaceful than Christianity.
How many wars did Buddhism cause?
How many did Christianity, Judaism, Islam?
How many did Hinduism?
All religions are false created to manipulate masses, and your responses are proving it
"Matthew 15:25-26 25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."
see also: Mark 7:26-27 26
-The Children are obviously Israelites, and the dogs are clearly a reference to Greeks.
To me the reference to dogs means dogs nothing more. Jesus wouldn't help her because she wasted food that was meant for the Jews not dogs
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old testament is totally racist.
Go and slay children of your enemies etc etc.
They had broken God's laws and commandments. Bible says wages of one sin is death(and we are all guilty which means we are going to be punished unless you can find a subitute). Our sins get past on to the next generation.
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All religions are false created to manipulate masses, and your responses are proving it
Oh and I suppose your responses are not manipulated, emmm?
I am not the one who believes our leaders are really reptiles in human form. Don't you know how stupid that sounds?
No wonder normal people out there think we conspiracy nuts are nutjobs and one chip short of a happy meal.
read my posts - i read Icke's books, so i read Bible, partly Quran and many other books.
besides Icke's association with people like Cathy O'brien makes me very suspicious.
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To me the reference to dogs means dogs nothing more. Jesus wouldn't help her because she wasted food that was meant for the Jews not dogs
Let me quote you the whole passage with womans answer:
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015:022 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
015:023 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
015:024 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
015:025 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
015:026 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
015:027 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
015:028 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
what is bread? who are children? who are dogs?
and again i dont subscribe to Icke's theory at all.
Where did you get it from?
"Idiot" didnt work so now you're attempting to make me look like reptilian people crook?
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No wonder normal people out there think we conspiracy nuts are nutjobs and one chip short of a happy meal.
Normal people think the same about religious fanatics, also Bible ones.
By fanatism i mean - "all other religions are Satan".
I give you an example:
You know that Bible has good diet advise in it.
If you would read in your opinion some of these "satanic" books, you will find that some asian ancient books have so much of advise about diet and health, that Bible looks like basic knowledge compared to them.
