Since Daryl and Eric
are inviting us to investigate the truthseekers,
let's make things clear and look at what they do.
Eric Hufschmid is the guy who published the best photogrpahic evidence up to today already in 2002 and managed to persuade Jimmy Walter to put ads in NY Times about 911 attack, and to spend millions to educate New Yorkers.
Up to today his book is the most solid piece of evidence which doesnt have nonsensical theories in it.
Eric Hufschmid has no problem to discuss all issues - 911, moon landing, holocaust ...
I never caught him spreading disinfo (even accidentally), he is pioneer in 911 research and he made and is making real difference.
Now goes Daryl Smith -
this is more difficult - nobody knows basically anything about this guy.
Except stupid accusations made by ppl behind ConspiracyCentral, Karl Schwartz - calling names etc..
I am still confused about DBS.. After hearing his slander of Conspiracy central i thought he was nuts, Nothing to argue about there, just my personal opinion.. I just didnt think he backed up any of his claims. But i dont like to dismiss anyone just like that, so i decided to hear one of his speeches on the zionism and the true history of the holocoust and i will admit, it did make a shitload of sense to me, so i dont know what to think of him yet. Can anyone shed some light?
Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:02 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8249 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Was it slander? Aren't his claims backed up by Concen's actions?
If you haven't see information on the holohoax yet, you may want to check out:
Well im not camera shy . Ive been playing with the idea of starting a radio show and create videos, but as im new to it, have a ton of more research todo..
As to Hufschmid, i think he takes himself to seriously, believes his own hype. Now about the slander, i mean DBS bashed everyone, from alex jones to Aaron Russo and his new film "America from Freedom to Fascism". Like it doesnt make sense to me, He calls everyone a zionist and it makes me wonder "Is the zionist big devilish plan to fill us up with truth"? Why would Aaron russo make a film teaching us how The irs is screwing us (if he is a zionist), Why would alex jones devote his life to awakening people to the evils going on in the world (if he is just a zionist). And his big reason for it is that alex only began talking about zionist a lil while ago. Well by that same token what would that make Dbs since he only talks about zionism and not much of anything else? like i said i liked his speech on the hsitory of the jews and world war 2 but all his slander in my opinion was baseless. I dont talk much about zionism because i dont know much about it, does that make me a zionsit. You yourself madthumbs havent really said anything about zionism, does that make you a zionist controlled person and site.. No. Is it so wrong ot ask for proof. I would love to talk to him and have him convince me but that probably wont happen. I dont discredit him completely but his niche is zionism, it is probably that he mixes zionism into everything....
What part of it is mentioned in Aaron Russo's film?
EVERYTHING POINTS OUT TO SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE.
Hollywood is controlled by zionists THEY BRAG ABOUT IT and Aaron Russo from Hollywood makes a film which doesnt mention it at all?
If I didnt know that youre behind that site CR i would think youre only uneducated.
This is supposed to be thread about facts, why are you spreading
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As to Hufschmid, i think he takes himself to seriously, believes his own hype. Now about the slander, i mean DBS bashed everyone, from alex jones to Aaron Russo and his new film "America from Freedom to Fascism". Like it doesnt make sense to me, He calls everyone a zionist and it makes me wonder "Is the zionist big devilish plan to fill us up with truth"?
You dont address one single fact in your post.
You dont bring facts about why those people were bashed.
Of course youre directly related to CC, so i will repeat it again
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If I didnt know that youre behind that site CR i would think youre only uneducated.
Please fill your post with factual research, there's been enough of vague talk on CC.
Im not directly related to CC, i dont even post their. Just because i dont think Ctrl is a zionist doesnt mean i dont see any of the other issues, ask madthumbs and he can explain to you what both our issues with CC. I was apart of CC from the beginning and quite franlky Ctrl has always been this way, the only difference now is that the site grew and got filled with so many spammers and flammers and disinfo people that Ctrl took his temper and dominating personality, to a whole nother level. . My opinions have nothing to do with any affilliation, like i stated i barely even go to concen anymore. I just wnat answes and i ask questions
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What part of it is mentioned in Aaron Russo's film?
EVERYTHING POINTS OUT TO SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE.
so in other words just because he doesnt mention zionism means that the whole movie should be debunked. Can you at least admit to the fact that the subject the film deals with is very important and will get people questioning their government, wich ultimately is all we are asking for. What you are basically saying is that you are gonna refuse anything that doesnt mention zionism in it. Your are trying to skip to many steps like it said in the link you provided " the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dea". The point is that the film will get people to question their beleif system, once they question it, then you can teach them about zionism. You just want to skip everystep and have people who still beleive their govenment is pure to beleive the greatest conspiracy ever. Actually underestand what im saying, this isnt to say you are wrong it is merely stating that just because alez jones and aaron russo dont mention zionism it doesnt mean they are helping the cause. Do you know how many people are awakened because of alex jones, do you know hoe many people were open to what i was saying abou the government after watching farenheit 911. Does it make Michael Moore or Alex Jones god or perfect, NO. Doest it mean they are pure and have no alterior motives..NO. but it does mean that they arent helping the masses start accepting what we are talking about.
I like what DBS has to say about the holohoax, but show me one proof as to how Alex jones and aaron russo are destroying or enslaving america with all the info they provide and i will gladly sumbit to your ideas.
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You dont bring facts about why those people were bashed.
I dont know any facts, thats why i listened to DBS, to get facts as to why he bashed them and all he said is that they dont talk about zionism therefore they are zionist. If you have a audio of him explaining in detail why, then please give me a link
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If I didnt know that youre behind that site CR i would think youre only uneducated
I dont know were that quote comes from or to whom its inteded, but if it was to me then i will say
I would be offended if i werent too educated too care, if i anger you enought to start taking cheap shots, then guess who has won the conversation..HOORAY FOR ME
And lastly but not least i would like to ask a simple question, what is it about Eric and DBS that your are on this personal crusade for them.
He calls everyone a zionist and it makes me wonder "Is the zionist big devilish plan to fill us up with truth"?
Does he call Chris Bollyn a Zionist? Does he call Lorraine Day a zionist?
DBS points out that Alex Jones is supporting Zionist agenda. We all know that already.
Such a broad statement is meaning only to divert attention. As i said, you didnt brought any concrete issue.
From that whole investigation full of verified data, you bring up the Socrates quote.
So - there's enormous amount of evidence pointing out at Zionists & Israel:
airports involved in 911 are zionist owned;
israeli spies arrested and released without a trial;
landlords of building is a zionist;
most of bush administration is zionist - he has RABBIS in there.
Then Alex Jones goes to conference in Chicago with most of his crew totally unrelated ppl to 911 (note - MOST, not all), where NONE of them points to these extremely easy verifiable facts, and you say it is OK?
And most of honest researchers are not invited to this event, which suddenly draws attention of mainstream media.
Chris Bollyn, Eric Hufschmid, Ellen Mariani - anyone who will mention Israeli involvement was not invited - and these people say that it is NO surprise for them.
I will quote it again
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If I didnt know that youre behind that site CR i would think youre only uneducated
WWI was for the Balfour Declaration.
WWII just about sowed up israel.
Read if you can The Gun and the Olive Branch by David Hirst which is an exceptional history of Palestine over the last hundred years.
One of the key players in the Balfour Declaration was Winston Churchill, a thoroughly nasty piece of work as even wikipedia will attest.
In Britain all of our Prime Ministers went to one of three schools, Eton, Harrow or Glasgow High School. All except for one, Ramsay MacDonald who only lasted 9 months despite the previous government being removed by a vote of no confidence.
These people aren't stupid, Eric is silenced because the world is run by zionism ever since it was called the Holy Roman Empire.
I'm not debating zionism, thats pretty much self evident, im just trying to find out who can and cant be trusted. Im not here to prove DBS wrong, im here to be convinced of facts or opinions im not necessarily sure of, it what these forums are here for, debating, no need for anger. Even if i agreed with you Benjamin i would disagree just to see what you know or how commited you are to your theories. that is all
Im not here to prove DBS wrong, im here to be convinced of facts or opinions im not necessarily sure of, it what these forums are here for, debating, no need for anger.
You claim this and yet you didn't bring on one concrete issue from the investigation i brought on.
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Even if i agreed with you Benjamin i would disagree just to see what you know or how commited you are to your theories. that is all
saying "theories" and not addressing one concrete thing.
Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:15 pm
funzone36
Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 707 Location: Toronto,Canada (biggest Canadian city)
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Zionism is at the root of everything.
I don't think zionism is the root of everything but I still believe in zionism. I think that is closer to the truth.
You claim this and yet you didn't bring on one concrete issue from the investigation i brought on.
you just like fighting dont you, You havent paid attention to a damn word ive said, and your calling me uneducated. For the 1000th time, im not debating zionism. I dont discredit Hufschmid, in fact his video is one of the first i saw on 911 and loved it, and i dont discredit DBS and his views on the holohoax. Because i think hufscmid is full of himself doesnt mean he isnt trust worthy, more then half the world is full of themselves. I dont see why you keep going on about zionism and sending me proof of their work, i already agree. Im talking only about these claims that alex jones and ctrl and everybody and their mother is a zionist. I asked you to give me a link where DBS explains his reasons for doing so and you didnt give me anything, so your the one not giving me evidence for anything. Im asking for evidence, you say you have it, so why are you trying to discredit me for not supposedly bringing concrete evidence. i dont know if im going to have to put this in three other languages or just T..Y...P...E R..E..A..L...L..Y S..L..O...W for you to understand what im saying. I cant vouch for alex jones or Russo and though i have my own issues with the way concen runs and the way CTRL does things, i can vouch whole heartedly that CTRL's issues have nothing to do with zionism. But since you think calling me uneducated and that screaming the loudest means you have proved your point then, ill just end this conversation and go to the source. You know i try to do everything diplomaticly and without anger but your arrogance is just too much to be respected, how old are you 17? Do not confuse my kindness for weakness or for inferiority. Who gives a damn about zionism and federal reserve and all this other crap when you dont even know how to get along with people, how will you ever prove your point? I tried to to see the good in you slavo while everyone bashed on you, but thanks for proving to them that i was wrong. I do respect your passion, and intellect, but work on your people skills. If you will do me the honor and just reread all the post i made in this thread and just find one instance where i insulted you..none...and re look and you will see that i just came in here to ask sincere questions yet you stooped to this
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If I didnt know that youre behind that site CR i would think youre only uneducated
Thats where i lost respect
Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:28 pm
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madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8249 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Yes,
Please keep the personal insults to pm so we can have good content in this thread, or should I make a flameware forum to let you guys go at it?
Thanks for any respect you can show for the forum.
you read it, and yet say that why CC is a scam?
You may debate concrete points made in that thread. Things like "i dont agree with Ctrl" dont adress real issues.
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Im asking for evidence, you say you have it, so why are you trying to discredit me for not supposedly bringing concrete evidence.
There is 5 pages thread on CC, 5 pages thread on Alex Jones here.
Now how come that ppl which i know well understands that Alex Jones is a Zionist shill and if you were some sort of newcomer to those things i will see a point in explaining to you that. I know you are in it for long time - so if you didnt understand it after reading those threads, what else can i do?
- update here
http://911underground.com/Over_the_Edge_2006-05-08_Alex_Jones_Denies_Israel_Carried_Out_9-11.MP3
You still ask for evidence.
So what do you think i will spend months to look for new evidence , when there is already tons of it?
This is like one of your friends from CR who was trying to sell me idea for months of making new movie about 911 - just how more movies do we need ?
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if im going to have to put this in three other languages or just T..Y...P...E R..E..A..L...L..Y S..L..O...W for you to understand what im saying.
What are you saying? This is thread about DBS and Hufschmid if theyre trustable, i asked for FACTS, yet you didnt bring on any concrete issue.
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But since you think calling me uneducated and that screaming the loudest means you have proved your point then, ill just end this conversation and go to the source.
What i said was: "If I didnt know that youre behind that site CR i would think youre only uneducated " - you even quote that,
was it deliberate?
I do respect your passion, and intellect, but work on your people skills. If you will do me the honor and just reread all the post i made in this thread and just find one instance where i insulted you..none.
- i didnt insult you too.
And - i am not about "people skills" , i am about honesty. "People skills" is mostly the speciality of special agents, politicians - they are trained for that.
I tell you what i think to make you think.
Free speech is lot of times an offensive speech - do you agree?
Being nice is not an absolute approach. Many people start thinking after a "slap".
Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:27 am
RANGER
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 122 Location: EVERYWHERE
After listening to the AJ audio that BF offered, I had no idea how much AJ was in lying denial of israeli control in the whitehouse, being the master minds of 911.
I had a good laugh when AJ says with a straight face that " ISRAEL CAN'T MAKE NORAD STAND DOWN!".
He goes on to say that it is a "multi national crime syndicate" manipulating our gov't that orchestrated 911. hahahahaha.....yes, a cabal of central bankers which controls all of western gov't,media,finance,press,hollywood,etc 'you know the ones'.
THEN he goes on to defend israel by saying: "To say israel did it is like a posion pill to the other people looking into the 911 movement, and (they) will steer clear of us because it is a very dangerous trend.......some truth to that, because most people through years of brainwashing will cringe at the mere mention of israel or jews.
While AJ and russo are hacking at the branches, DBS,Bollen,Ted Pike and such are hacking away at the root!. Bottom line, it will be up to the minds of those that take it all in to determine wheather to go the ONE FINAL STEP and blame israel for 911 via the rothschild cabal.
. Ive been playing with the idea of starting a radio show and create videos, but as im new to it, have a ton of more research todo..
