It seems like the best way to prevent the hospital from performing certain undesirable procedures on your child without your consent is to have your childbirth at home. Otherwise, while in the hospital, don't let the child out of your sight and deny all of their unnecessary procedures. For my child, there will be no vaccinations or (if male) circumcisions.
I need to see the paperwork that the hospital asks expecting parents to sign, to see if they try to sneak something into the contract like, "I knowingly and willingly allow [vaccinations] [circumcisions] or any other medical procedure deemed necessary by the hospital's professional resources to be performed on my child...etc." Any language like that will need to be lined out, signed, and dated to remove it properly from the contract.
Regarding the "Where do the foreskins go" website:
Hmmm... seems that maybe perhaps the procedure is equivalent to money farming and not really about religion or cleanliness. To keep people from seeing what really goes on, religion and politics enter the scene. To me it's another version of Babylon story, anything to keep the people scattered and not united.
But as I've read most of the arguments from both sides, I've come to the conclusion that the fights are not directed where they should be directed, and that is to the medical money makers. Most of the arguments coming from whats-her-face and the male members (no pun intended! haha) of this forum seem to be about moral/ethical topics. But the money thing just came to my attention. Thanks for posting that!
I had no idea. For some naive reason I thought the skin was just tossed along with other cut off body parts.
Definitely agree, give birth at home. Hospitals are dirty nasty places anyway.
Is it a coincidence that there is an increasing amount of Cesarean births vs. natural births after growth in the home birth field? Are they inventing reasons why a woman should have surgery to give birth so they end up making more money and also traumatize the baby? I half wonder if the baby misses out on something if it's not born in the usual manner. Seems more natural to be vaginally born rather than being literally ripped from a comfy environment, often too early. As in, planning births to change the birthdate. Like what some women did for June 6, 2006. They didn't like the 666 idea and figured if they induced or performed a Cesarean birth before or after that date, then their child wouldn't be the child of the devil.
Nature has more knowledge than all the medical people in the world. But yet these egotistical medical people think they are above that.
Scary.
Another reason to add to my list of why I refuse to have a child.
"Here's BOTH sides of the argument ... Let people make up their own minds without the HYSTeria"...YES? Where's the other side of the argument, you only put YOUR Point of view. What if I said "I prefer women who have their clitoris' and laibeas chopped off" you would think i'm a sicko..well mystica....we think you're a sicko...here's the FACTS
"Foreskin is the natural gliding stimulator of the vaginal walls during intercourse, which increases a woman's overall clitoral stimulation by over 200% and allows for the achievement of female orgasm 3x's more often and in shorter periods of time between penetration" The doctor who said that won a FLIPPING NOBEL PRICE,,, Einstein!!!!!!!! CIRCUMCISED MEN ARE JUST AS LIKELY as INTACT MEN to spread diseases!! Foreskin has nothing to do with HPV or HIV, in fact, SMEGMA (meaning SOAP in Greek) is a temporary personal lubricant and anti-bacterial secretion (THAT MEANS IT KILLS BACTERIA EINSTEIN!!) HELLO???????? MYSTICA... YOU MAY BE A GOOD PERSON...BUT I HOPE YOU WAKE UP WITHOUT A CLITORIS..
Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:18 am
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Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 443 Location: melbourne, Australia
HAHA We all got a good laugh from Mystica's outdated views on circumcision. And because of her insane ranting and raving she eventually got herself booted off here.
"Foreskin is the natural gliding stimulator of the vaginal walls during intercourse, which increases a woman's overall clitoral stimulation by over 200% and allows for the achievement of female orgasm 3x's more often and in shorter periods of time between penetration" The doctor who said that won a FLIPPING NOBEL PRICE
Very interesting statement. Can you tell us who the doctor was that said that?
lol. I wonder if gay men might have some input on this subject too.
Researching that phrase to find the doctor, I find that it was from a book called "Sex as Nature Intended It" written by Kristen O'Hara. I could not find evidence to show that she is a doctor, or that she won a Nobel Prize.
Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:56 am
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madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8183 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
According to data from the National Health and Social Life Survey, the U.S. circumcision rate peaked at nearly 90 percent in the early 1960s but began dropping in the '70s. By 2004, the most recent year for which government figures are available, about 57 percent of all male newborns delivered in hospitals were circumcised. In some states, the rate is well below 50 percent.
Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:01 am
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Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8183 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Male Circumcision Overstated As Prevention Tool Against AIDS
Quote:
Male Circumcision Overstated As Prevention Tool Against AIDS, According To Study June 21, 2007
Science Daily — In new research, male circumcision is found to be much less important as a deterrent to the global AIDS pandemic than previously thought. The author, John R. Talbott, has conducted statistical empirical research across 77 countries of the world and has uncovered some surprising results.
The new study finds that the number of infected prostitutes in a country is the key to explaining the degree to which AIDS has infected the general population. Prostitute communities are typically very highly infected with the virus themselves, and because of the large number of sex partners they have each year, can act as an engine driving infection rates to unusually high levels in the general population.
The youtube version doesn't work anymore, but the Circumcision BS episode can still be viewed here(it's a foreign site so it is not as likely to get removed):
Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:11 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8183 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
after reading this i feel depressed...i will never live up to my full potential for my girl,
and yet pissed just more fuel to my fire
I will avenged mens penises!!! lololol
We all got a good laugh from Mystica's outdated views on circumcision. And because of her insane ranting and raving she eventually got herself booted off here.
just more fuel to my fire