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blu



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Those who curse the Jews and those who bless the Jews
by Dennis Prager



In 1973, during the Arab embargo on oil exports that followed the Yom Kippur War between Israel and Egypt, many Americans had to deal with embargo-induced hour-long lines at gas stations, gas rationing, and various setbacks to the economy. As a result, some called for our abandonment of Israel for the sake of oil.

Those voices were not heard among evangelical Christians.

In fact, in a television broadcast from his church to his many followers, the Rev. Jerry Falwell said that he would sooner give up his car and ride a bicycle than yield to Arab blackmail. Citing Genesis (12:3), he explained that God "will bless those who bless the Jews and curse whoever curses the Jews."

I have since heard this over and over from lay Christians calling my radio show and from Christian leaders with whom I have shared platforms.

I heard this again this past weekend in Colorado Springs, Colo., at the 25th Anniversary Celebration of Focus on the Family, where I spoke to a few thousand supporters of that influential evangelical organization. There are many reasons for the support of conservative Christians for Israel – along with social conservatives, the only group giving such support – but their belief that God blesses those who bless the Jews and curses those who curse the Jews plays a central role.

When I first heard this verse cited by the Rev. Falwell, I certainly found it encouraging to hear a major Christian figure say this to fellow Christians. But perhaps because I had just completed graduate work in the social sciences, my rational faculties simply dismissed the idea as more quaint than believable.

Over time, however, that quote stayed with me. Eight years later, when Rabbi Joseph Telushkin and I wrote a book explaining anti-Semitism ("Why the Jews? The Reason for Antisemitism," Simon & Schuster), we noted this verse. But now, after seeing the resurgence of anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim worlds and in Europe, after being asked by the publisher to write a new version of the book, and after hearing Christians repeatedly cite this verse, I feel compelled to finally take a position: Is this verse biblical poetry or verifiably true?

I am increasingly convinced that it is verifiably true.

I think of Spain, for example. One of the world's mightiest powers and most developed cultures in the 15th century, in 1492 it reached its zenith when it sent Christopher Columbus on a voyage that changed history. But the same year, it also expelled all its Jews and intensified the Spanish Inquisition against the many forced Jewish converts to Catholicism (converses). Spain then descended into a 500-year status as "the sick man of Europe."

I think of Germany (and Austria) as the cultural and intellectual center of Europe, if not the world, before World War II. Then Germany (with Austrians' help) murdered nearly every Jew in Europe. Germany lost over seven million people, was divided for a generation, and while it now thrives materially, culturally Germany has become irrelevant. Ask anyone, even an intellectual, to name one living German.

And I think about the world today. Look at who most blesses the Jews and who most curses them, and you decide whether the verse in Genesis has validity.

It is the United States that has, since its inception, most blessed the Jews and that does so almost alone today – in its support of the Jewish state against those who wish to exterminate it. By almost any reckoning, America has been, and remains, the most blessed of countries.

And it is the Arab world that curses the Jews. It rivals Nazi Germany for the ubiquity and intensity of its Jew-hatred. Look at its state. According to Arab scholars appointed by the United Nations to report on the state of Arab society, that part of the world lags behind the rest of humanity, including in most instances sub-Saharan Africa, in virtually every social, moral and intellectual indicator. And there is no question but that its half-century long preoccupation with destroying Israel has only increased the Arab world's woes.

No one can prove it is God who actively blesses those who bless the Jews and curses those who curse them. But, at the same time, the evidence historically and this very moment suggests that there is indeed a real connection between the state of a society and its treatment of the Jews.
Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:27 am
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In fact, in a television broadcast from his church to his many followers, the Rev. Jerry Falwell said that he would sooner give up his car and ride a bicycle than yield to Arab blackmail. Citing Genesis (12:3), he explained that God "will bless those who bless the Jews and curse whoever curses the Jews."


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Genesis 12:2-3 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.


Why are we confusing modern Jews with Israelites or the offspring of Abraham? The world is cursed by Judaism. From it we get wars, inquisitions, crusades, black slave trade, sexism, female sex slavery, civil war, strife, penis mutilation, witch hunts, demonizing, commercial holidays, and stupid Jews that think they're God's gift to society.
Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:53 am
sharshur



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This is logic fallacy. A happened, so B happened, so A must have lead to B.


Are you saying the Arabs have no reason for trying to fight Israel? Do you think they should lay down and allow it to take ALL their land? It's a well known fact they think their borders should be expanded even more. I think "f***ed by Zionism" is more apt than cursed because of cursing "Jews."
Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:26 am
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Aeon



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You cannot believe you are "God's Gift" or "God's Chosen" without being a racist/bigoted pig. It is this very attitude which jerks like "blu" have which is directly responsible for the majority of so-called anti-semitism.
Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:19 am
madthumbs



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Please avoid the name calling. I'm sure the facts are degrading enough. Wink
Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:12 am
Dirt Poor



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Aeon wrote:
You cannot believe you are "God's Gift" or "God's Chosen" without being a racist/bigoted pig. It is this very attitude which jerks like "blu" have which is directly responsible for the majority of so-called anti-semitism.


I feel you are right, Aeon. Anybody that believes that they are "chosen" and therefore better than anybody else probably has delusions of grandeur.
Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:07 pm
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blu



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Dirt Poor wrote:
Aeon wrote:
You cannot believe you are "God's Gift" or "God's Chosen" without being a racist/bigoted pig. It is this very attitude which jerks like "blu" have which is directly responsible for the majority of so-called anti-semitism.


I feel you are right, Aeon. Anybody that believes that they are "chosen" and therefore better than anybody else probably has delusions of grandeur.



We are not better at everything, just leading the spaceship called Earth.

Sit back and enjoy the ride goyim !


Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:34 pm
sharshur



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What's it's like under that bridge, blu?

Anyone been noticing troll hair littering the forums?
Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:23 pm
blu



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Sit back and enjoy the ride sharshur, eventually you too will thank God

that the Jews are at the head of our spaceship.

Rolling Eyes
Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:27 pm
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sharshur



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Your naivete knows no bounds. You know not of what you speak.
Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:30 pm
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blu wrote:
Sit back and enjoy the ride sharshur, eventually you too will thank God

that the Jews are at the head of our spaceship.

Rolling Eyes


i thank no god for the plite jews have caused humans... sadly idiots that are willing servants (the guys keepin the engines goin) are just as guilty and are also to blame for the shit were in...

just watch out... i may be what makes this ship crash Wink
Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:16 am
blu



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Without the Jews entering the world stage the world would have already distroyed itself ...

Do you think you know better than God ?

Rolling Eyes
Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:49 am
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blu wrote:
Without the Jews entering the world stage the world would have already distroyed itself ...

Do you think you know better than God ?

Rolling Eyes


You mean the warmongering, sexist, slavery endorsing, penis mutilating YHWH, or God the Creator that gave us the blessing of having foreskin?
Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:56 am
Aeon



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blu wrote:
Without the Jews entering the world stage the world would have already distroyed itself ...

Do you think you know better than God ?

Rolling Eyes


I think you use the construct called "God" to justify everything. It's a debate-ender. It's what people throw out when they have no argument or logic.

You don't know that the world would have destroyed itself. It simply makes you feel good to think that "your kind" is owed some kind of gratitude for something, yet again.

Why don't you believe in Zeus, Dyonisis, Zarathustra, or Osiris? I happen to believe in one less god than you do.

What makes you think you know God? Would you believe in that same god if you were born other places in the world? And why do you think that silly God permitted the Romans to destroy "your kind"? Maybe you worship a false god?
Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:22 pm
feifel yidishkeit



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Blu, you're lucky this message board screwed up, cause I just spent 1h30 tying up a response that would have anihalated your post.
Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:35 pm
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