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Benjamin Freedman
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Guys you are making this out to be a Rosa Parks, Rodney King type of incident when it is clearly not. Dogs and sheep are both animals, so if you want to claim Jesus dehumanised Gentiles by referring to them as dogs you must also acknowledge He did the same to Jews by referring them as sheep. To really prove your case you will have to show from Ancient Greek writings that to call someone a ‘pet dog’ was as insulting as calling a black person a ‘monkey’ would be today.
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in that particular verse he refers to jews as children and to gentiles as dogs.
when he refers to jews as sheeps it is context of him (god) being shepherd of sheeps (jews).
xians fail to see the difference.
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:30 am |
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| | jimmy repin wrote
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Guys you are making this out to be a Rosa Parks, Rodney King type of incident when it is clearly not. Dogs and sheep are both animals, so if you want to claim Jesus dehumanised Gentiles by referring to them as dogs you must also acknowledge He did the same to Jews by referring them as sheep. To really prove your case you will have to show from Ancient Greek writings that to call someone a ‘pet dog’ was as insulting as calling a black person a ‘monkey’ would be today.
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in that particular verse he refers to jews as children and to gentiles as dogs.
when he refers to jews as sheeps it is context of him (god) being shepherd of sheeps (jews).
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So what for all we know the "word of God" could have been doctored a thousand years ago by racist talmudists. Does it really mean that Jesus or God truly said these things? NO
Do any of your quotes mean that the true son of God was a racist criminal like you imply? Anyone could document his words and put their own twist on it.
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:49 pm |
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So what for all we know the "word of God" could have been doctored a thousand years ago by racist talmudists. Does it really mean that Jesus or God truly said these things? NO
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EXACTLY.
I have no problem with ppl reading the bible - i even recommend it, what is my problem is that Xianity claims bible to be the word of god.
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:25 pm |
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alexclaton
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So what for all we know the "word of God" could have been doctored a thousand years ago by racist talmudists. Does it really mean that Jesus or God truly said these things? NO
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EXACTLY.
I have no problem with ppl reading the bible - i even recommend it, what is my problem is that Xianity claims bible to be the word of god. |
BINGO!
everyone that says its the word of god never actually spoke with god.... they just claim it as such cuz someone told them it was or because the book itself says it is....
ill ask again... do christians also believe superman is real... cuz id say theres about the same amount of proof that says he exists as there is jesus or god...
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:52 pm |
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To clarify, I certainly don't think the bible is just what some tyrants wrote down in an attempt to "control the masses" like so many atheists love to claim. That is one of the most ignorant things I've heard.
Although it's only my opinion I do think that most of it (at least new testament) was in the words of Jesus as closely documented as it could be. The message is there and it's about love and forgiveness and not about racism or hate. There is a TON of truth and understanding of mankind in the bible.
To claim that Jesus was a racist is just as ignorant as these "Christians" who claim that every shred of it is from God's mouth and that Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy.
While people may find contradictions and conflicting statements the whole of it speaks for itself. My point was that parts may have been changed for personal gain over the years, but who cares.
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:52 pm |
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alexclaton
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| | To clarify, I certainly don't think the bible is just what some tyrants wrote down in an attempt to "control the masses" like so many atheists love to claim. That is one of the most ignorant things I've heard. |
i think the bible being the word of god is rather ignorant... but of course ur name says a lot about u....
what makes u believe the book is accurate? and self fulfilling prophecies dont count....
what sounds more plausable... human asswipes writing "holy" books to control and enslave humanity... or god writing a book himself and making it vague and confusing...
why the hell would god need to write a book when he could simply tell us all himself... and this bullshit that gods voice is too much for humans to bare is just a retarded cop out... if he wanted to why couldnt he make it so we could stand his voice?
and if u believe the bible was inspired by god... then why would god only speak to certain ppl and not everyone... why doesnt god simply tell everyone the truth and end all the arguing and confusion... very simple, ITS BULLSHIT!
whether god is real or not is irrelevant, the problem is humans refuse to take responsibility for the shit we are in and come up with a solution that doesnt involve god...
god has nothing to do with our problems and shouldnt be the solution... until humans get that through their head ppl will continue fighting over stupid bullshit and will forever be easily manipulated through their ignorance...
god belongs to the individual, and should not be a huge group thing as no 2 ppl will ever describe the same god...
what say u about the books left outta the bible?
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:07 pm |
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| | what sounds more plausable... human asswipes writing "holy" books to control and enslave humanity... or god writing a book himself and making it vague and confusing... |
What part of it is used to "enslave" humanity? Is living by the ten commandments or having to take yourself of the pedastal your idea of slavery? That is my complaint about that point of view. Like I said I don't disagree that parts may have been manipulated.
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:14 pm |
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| | | | what sounds more plausable... human asswipes writing "holy" books to control and enslave humanity... or god writing a book himself and making it vague and confusing... |
What part of it is used to "enslave" humanity? Is living by the ten commandments or having to take yourself of the pedastal your idea of slavery? That is my complaint about that point of view. Like I said I don't disagree that parts may have been manipulated. |
theres more then one version of the 10 commandments, how do u know which is the right one to follow 
as for it being used to enslave, getting ppl to do things u want them to do that they wouldnt do normally on their own is enslaving them...
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:18 pm |
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| | as for it being used to enslave, getting ppl to do things u want them to do that they wouldnt do normally on their own is enslaving them... |
Come on man. So those morals that (some) people have are just part of a self serving agenda by evil doers who wrote the bible? Well I guess you win this argument then. 
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:28 pm |
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dont confuse morals with ethics...
everyone has morals and lives by them, doesnt mean they are right or just...
some ppl think its moral to eradicate all those considered "unclean"
also free thought should not be immoral but some ppl think it is....
a person choosing to NOT kill a child even with a gun pointed at their head is not morality, its ethics...
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| Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:54 pm |
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| | dont confuse morals with ethics...
everyone has morals and lives by them, doesnt mean they are right or just...
some ppl think its moral to eradicate all those considered "unclean"
also free thought should not be immoral but some ppl think it is....
a person choosing to NOT kill a child even with a gun pointed at their head is not morality, its ethics... |
I think it depends what context the word is used in. I'm sure some people do think it's moral to kill, but for the most part the word is not used to justify evil. Anyways, that is irrelevant. You know the point of my statemen.
Some examples from dictionary.com
Morals:
1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
Ethics:
1. a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
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| Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:15 am |
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let's take for example 2nd commandment:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before
me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any
graven image or any likeness of any thing
that is in heaven above, or that is in the
earth beneath, or that is in the water
under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down
thyself to them, nor serve them: for I, the
Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting
the iniquity of the fathers upon the chil-
dren unto the third and fourth generation
of them that hate me; and showing mercy
unto thousands of them that love me, and
keep my commandments."
hmmm let me guess, how many of us did it and are still doing it?
1st commandment Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:
yay, yay!
we should not make images?
does tthis commandment in its full meaning make any sense?
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| Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:27 am |
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| | what sounds more plausable... human asswipes writing "holy" books to control and enslave humanity... or god writing a book himself and making it vague and confusing...
why the hell would god need to write a book when he could simply tell us all himself... and this bullshit that gods voice is too much for humans to bare is just a retarded cop out... if he wanted to why couldnt he make it so we could stand his voice?
and if u believe the bible was inspired by god... then why would god only speak to certain ppl and not everyone... why doesnt god simply tell everyone the truth and end all the arguing and confusion... very simple, ITS BULLSHIT! |
Many of these questions are answered in the writing itself. But why would you care? Its "bullshit" remember? 
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| Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:03 am |
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| | does tthis commandment in its full meaning make any sense? |
Why doesnt it make sense? Is it hard to understand? What is so confusing about it? No, its not the straw man argument again is it?
"we should not make images?"
It doesn't say that. From the CONTEXT most people that can reason can understand that he is talking about idolatry. I think ALL people should follow that advice if they are religious or not, dont you think? Even kids that have walls chockfull of "American Idols" and other stupid "stars" is a form of idolatry, its pathetic.
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It makes perfect sense as I already pointed out above. What doesn't make sense is all your typos, strawmen, and sarcastic remarks with the whole "yay yay" and "joozus" effects added to your posts.
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| Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:09 am |
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From the CONTEXT most people that can reason can understand that he is talking about idolatry.
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If it would be so - the commandment will state - thou shalt not worship or bow to those images.
It states - thou shalt not MAKE those images and adds the rest.
yay, yay!
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| Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:16 am |
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