Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
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(Matthew 21:43) 43 This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits.
-Yes; we can clearly see that Christians have replaced Jews when it comes to genocide, racism, and slavery owning. They are now producing the same fruits that Israel did in the OT.
Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location: False Apostle Rebuttal below::READ IT
Sorry, wrong. Do you not remember why He condemned them? Did he not tell him more than once, "go therefore and learn what this means, 'I want mercy, NOT sacrifice.'"? He was infact quoting from a prophet, where they are condemned in the same manner. Did he not condemn them for practicing ALL the works of the Law, except mercy and justice? He sure did. Those obviously were the fruits he was speaking of.
Last edited by Opiate on Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
i will quote your holy book for you again, which talks about apocalypse
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Revelation
7:4 I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:
7:5 of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand, of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
7:6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
7:7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
7:8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
the only chosen people are from Jewish tribes - these tribes are NAMED in your scripture.
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Their kingdom was taken away and given to someone bearing the fruits. THUS, the "kings and priests" of the 144,000 are not JUST to Jews, ALL nations.
accprding to you now it it ok to ignore the scripture.
Let's repeat it for you again
chosen tribes of Israel -
Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin.
Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:48 pm
Opiate
Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location: False Apostle Rebuttal below::READ IT
Ignore Scripture?
Why don't you quote the REST of it then and let people decide for themselves who is ignoring Scripture and who is wrong?
This is RIGHT after what you just quoted:
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(Revelation 7:9-10) 9 After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
chosen ones are chosen according to tribal integrity - the names of tribes are explicitely stated.
nice denial though
Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:55 pm
Opiate
Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location: False Apostle Rebuttal below::READ IT
Denial? Nice way of ignoring what it just stated. If it is not from all nations, what is the purpose of it saying salvation would belong to all nations? Tonues? Peoples? etc?
On another note. Determining tribes etc and blood lines was reliant upon the records in Jerusalem and the temple. In fact that is how Christians determined Christ was the one that came from the line of David (which too the denying Jews knew themselves).
Now that both temple and records are destroyed, tribes is not really tracable anyway. Why don't you think you cannot tell who REALLY is a real Israelite/Jew anymore? It was all part of the purpose of destroying that barrier.
Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:00 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Revelation 7:9-10 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Strong's Data wrote:
1484 e;qnoj ethnos {eth'-nos}
Meaning: 1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together 1a) a company, troop, swarm 2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus 2a) the human race 3) a race, nation, people group 4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles 5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians
Here we see a problem with translation. Nations simply refers to the many tribes of Israel (fitting context). Israelites are now speaking many different languages, and are diverse. We have documented many times how YHWH according to the Bible is racist:
Denial? Nice way of ignoring what it just stated. If it is not from all nations, what is the purpose of it saying salvation would belong to all nations? Tonues? Peoples? etc?
On another note. Determining tribes etc and blood lines was reliant upon the records in Jerusalem and the temple. In fact that is how Christians determined Christ was the one that came from the line of David (which too the denying Jews knew themselves).
Now that both temple and records are destroyed, tribes is not really tracable anyway. Why don't you think you cannot tell who REALLY is a real Israelite/Jew anymore? It was all part of the purpose of destroying that barrier.
traceable or not, it refers to concrete tribes of israel,
thereby it is racist by definition.
-Christopher Bollyn uses racist term: Renigged, and brings up tongue piercing (as if to discredit), and accuses someone of not being xian (as if that's a bad thing). -Sorry; I only loosely listened to it. This could have been a good show if not for that!
Nations simply refers to the many tribes of Israel (fitting context). Israelites are now speaking many different languages, and are diverse.
Haha... You just invented a new interpretation of the Bible. Maybe you need to make a phone call to a patent-office so that you get some cashing in on it
Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:16 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Strong's Data for Nations wrote:
1484 e;qnoj ethnos {eth'-nos}
Meaning: 1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together 1a) a company, troop, swarm 2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus 2a) the human race 3) a race, nation, people group 4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles 5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians
Origin: probably from 1486; TDNT - 2:364,201; n n
Usage: AV - Gentiles 93, nation 64, heathen 5, people 2; 164
Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:14 pm
stOneskull
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 820 Location: Australia
Remember that the Great Pyramid was covered by 144.000 polished casing stones that made it shine like a huge lighthouse in the desert.
The Egyptians called the pyramid ‘Ta Khut’ which translates into ‘The Light’.
The harmonic value for the speed of light happens to be a 144.000 arcs per grid second as was discovered by Bruce Cathie who recalculated the speed of light relative to the Earth grid.
