Could HHO Gas be the replacement for natural gas?

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A lot of what I have read about HHO Gas is very promising, especially when you find out that the only by-products given off are water and therefore no pollution. One problem however, is in utilising this gas as a seriously practical means of saving the planet. Could it be used to replace natural gas?

I envision the main problem to be the fact that electricity is required to produce HHO Gas - and most of our electricity is created from fossil fuels. We need to find a power source.

Once utilised, this gas can be used for solving all our transport and heating problems - therefore cutting down transport based pollution greatly. The only problem is the power source for generating the gas.

Anyone got any ideas?

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Hemp could solve a lot of problems.

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Hemp does solve a lot of problems.

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As for those transport problems you talk about, I don't buy into this man-made global warming. It's warming naturally.

Once you use electricity to seperate the Hydrogen and Oxygen, hydrogen is highly flammable. Don't compare to gasoline. I pour gasoline to the ground and it won't immediately turn to flames unless I put a flame on it. Not true for hydrogen. It goes in flames once oxygen and other burnable material is available (which is how the gas works). So, if you want to store hydrogen so that you don't need to use electricity later for that energy, it won't be safe.

HHO gas is basically an electric car with a combustion engine. We have seen that electric cars can't go a long way until the battery runs out of electricity. If you use that electricity for HHO gas, the range of that car will be further reduced. Also, HHO gas might replace cars but it cannot replace farm machinery, trucks and military aircraft and tanks because those require a lot more energy to support their weight and travel long distances.

True that electricity will mostly be from fossil fuels but nuclear power/hydro can also be a possibility. Don't count on that. If you remember Chernobyl then you know that the building of nuclear reactors have stopped since then due to widespread protests from millions of people. Nuclear reactors also eventually have to shut down as they get older for safety purposes. So the amount of electricity from nuclear reactors will fall as time goes by. As for hydro, it can provide electricity to a hundred HHO gas customers but to supply the entire continent with HHO gas is impossible.

Finally, HHO gas needs fresh water not salt water. 1% of all water is fresh water and sure, you can convert salt water to fresh water but that also requires electrical energy for the heating and freezing. For practical uses, only fossil fuels can provide enough electricity for that. About the only method that does not use electricity is reverse osmosis but that takes an extremely long time. Too long for practical use.

As for creating enough hemp, you need lots of fertilizer and pesticide and we go back to fossil fuels. Irrigation to create enough hemp also requires fresh water and we go back to fossil fuels again.

And anything else that needs to replace the combustion engine to replace oil cannot be practical because you need at least an century to replace all the billions of vehicles that has the combustion engine.

Last edited by funzone36 on Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:40 pm; edited 2 times in total

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HHO Gas doesn't need to be stored, it is created on demand - i.e. the by-product is water and that can go back into the system.

This guy managed to get a car to run on sea water: -

http://www.mysticfamilycircus.com/Pages/Community/Projects/h2oh29MB.mov

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Yea, I know it works. I didn't say it doesn't work. I said for mass-production purposes, it won't work. For mass usage meaning practical use, it also won't work as I already explained why.

HHO gas doesn't need to be stored. I said hydrogen. Rolling Eyes

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	funzone36 wrote:
	Yea, I know it works. I didn't say it doesn't work. I said for mass-production purposes, it won't work. For mass usage meaning practical use, it also won't work as I already explained why. HHO gas doesn't need to be stored. I said hydrogen.

You don't need fresh water to produce HHO Gas; he powered it on sea water. There should be no problem with mass consumption of sea water as a fuel to power cars and methods of transport - mainly because it is entirely renewable. And the electricity supply for each individual car or train can be generated from a (standard acid) battery circuit.

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The battery can't generate elecrtricity. A battery releases electricity. A battery is not an energy source, it's a storage medium.

You may be able to electrolysis from sea water but let me tell you why it's not a good idea to do that. Electrolysis of sea water creates not only hydrogen and oxygen, it also creates chlorine gas and sodium hydroxide. Now, you don't want chlorine gas all over the environment, do you? Remember that in WW1, the germans used chlorine gas as a weapon. It kills quickly. So chlorine gas is even deadlier than carbon dioxide coming out of the combustion engine. Good luck to your sea water electrolysis. Smile

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funzone36 wrote:

The battery can't generate elecrtricity. A battery releases electricity. A battery is not an energy source, it's a storage medium.

You may be able to electrolysis from sea water but let me tell you why it's not a good idea to do that. Electrolysis of sea water creates not only hydrogen and oxygen, it also creates chlorine gas and sodium hydroxide. Now, you don't want chlorine gas all over the environment, do you? Remember that in WW1, the germans used chlorine gas as a weapon. It kills quickly. So chlorine gas is even deadlier than carbon dioxide coming out of the combustion engine. Good luck to your sea water electrolysis. Smile

Have you not heard of the baghdad battery?
http://www.unmuseum.org/bbattery.htm

Oh, and sulphuric acid was discovered by an arab before electricity was even invented - so it could've been feasible to create a battery like that. All you need is a small spark via friction.

Oh, and the process of electrolysis you're talking about is rather different from the one used in that video i posted. I don't see that guy dying from chlorine gas or suffering the effects after god knows how many years running his car on sea water.

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	When filled with an electrolyte like grape juice, the devices produced about two volts.

Two volts is not enough for electrolysis of seawater.

And that guy maybe contained the gas. I dunno. But it's a fact that chlorine gas gets produced from electrolysis of sea water.

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funzone36 wrote:

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	When filled with an electrolyte like grape juice, the devices produced about two volts.

Two volts is not enough for electrolysis of seawater.

And that guy maybe contained the gas. I dunno. But it's a fact that chlorine gas gets produced from electrolysis of sea water.

You're just a cynical little sceptic aren't you?

Perhaps because grape juice is a crappy electrolyte in comparison to sulphuric acid or vinegar.

Oh, and i'm sure chlorine gas can be filtered out. Perhaps this is one of the ways: -
http://www.lenntech.com/KDF-filter-media.htm

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Skepticism is a good thing. Better than most Americans who blindly believes those TV ads.

Nowhere in that article of yours is there the word "vinegar" and "sulphuric acid".

Good job with the filtration. Now, solve how the car can go on long distances and be supplied with electricity without fossil fuels.

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	funzone36 wrote:
	Skepticism is a good thing. Better than most Americans who blindly believes those TV ads. Nowhere in that article of yours is there the word "vinegar" and "sulphuric acid". Good job with the filtration. Now, solve how the car can go on long distances and be supplied with electricity without fossil fuels.

I never said that article was 100% descriptive of the actual potential of the battery.

I'm pretty sure that the earth was designed in a way to produce power without causing such inherent destruction to it at the same time.

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Designed? No, I don't think there was really someone who designed it. I think it's just created.

Oh well, there isn't really any evidence that supports how the Earth was designed or created. It's all just you and which hypothesis you support. Both having not enough evidence.

And give me an article that supports your claims of that battery otherwise it's all talk.

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what in sea water makes chlorine gas? cause if it's the salt, I use salt for an electrolight.