Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Are you allergic to Teflon?
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A chemical found in Teflon non-stick coatings could raise the risk of allergies, researchers have said.
The scientists claim the product may prime the immune system to overreact to allergy triggers, or allergens, such as dust mites or animal hair.
Lab mice given the chemical - perfluoro-octanoic acid - before being exposed to an allergen suffered more trouble breathing than those exposed to the allergen alone.
Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Northern Virginia, USA
Can you tell us more or provide backup on the Tea claims? What kinds of tea? Tea can be grown on a field to clean up fluoride residue, but how often is this practiced in consumer tea?
I drink a lot of white tea imported from Peony, am I at risk?
Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:02 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Tea is very high in fluoride content. Fluoride in tea is much higher than the Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) set for fluoride in drinking water.
Tea leaves accumulate more fluoride (from pollution of soil and air) than any other edible plant (1,2,3). Fluoride content in tea has risen dramatically over the last 20 years, as has tea consumption (4).
While in 1976 a Belgian analysis showed content of between 50 and 125 ppm fluoride in 15 varieties of tea (3), a Polish study in 1995 found fluoride content of up to 340 ppm in 16 varieties of black tea (5). A major Canadian study published in 1995 reports average fluoride content in tea to be 4.57 mg/l in the 1980's.(6)
A website by a pro-fluoridation infant medical group lists a cup of black tea to contain 7.8 mgs of fluoride (7), which is roughly the same amount as if one were to drink 7.8 litres of water in an area fluoridated at 1ppm. It is well known that fluoride in tea gets absorbed by the body similarly as the fluoride in drinking water (1,8).
Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:15 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Stainless steel contains nickel, chromium, molybdenum, and iron. Stainless steel that is not attracted by a magnet contains higher amounts of nickel. Acidic foods and high temperatures likely to draw more of the nickel from the cookware.
Like Aluminum, Nickel has increased in the human environment over the past few decades, getting in to our bodies via industrial pollution and stainless steel cookware. Nickel has until recent times not been considered a serious toxin, however it is one of the many pollutants known to cause allergies. Margarines, even some so called healthy options have traces as it is used as a catalyst in the production process.
Tea is very high in fluoride content. Fluoride in tea is much higher than the Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) set for fluoride in drinking water.
Tea leaves accumulate more fluoride (from pollution of soil and air) than any other edible plant (1,2,3). Fluoride content in tea has risen dramatically over the last 20 years, as has tea consumption (4).
See this upsets me because saying don't drink tea or to imply tea is bad is misleading and also incorrect. As you can see in this newsletter the tea is accumulating high flouride content due to POLLUTION. It is not to say the tea itself is bad at all. The fact that it is really the POLLUTION needs to be stated prominently.
Even for myself and as the other poster asks, one gets the impression that "tea is bad" while reading this thread. In this case I think it would be more appropriate to say that SOME teas could have high flouride content. It certainly can't be any and all teas. Are the tea the Chinese has been drinking for centuries also high in flouride content?
I really would beg the author you quoted in your original post to clarify and edit that. Otherwise I see it as a disservice and possible fearmongering to just say "don't drink tea" without any qualifiers. Tea has been touted as very good for a long time. Tea is ingrained into generally all Asian cultures. The japanese drink tea and do they have problems? So again for the record I would like to state that the problem lies in the POLLUTION that the tea leaves are absorbing. These scientific reports should be much more specific or perhaps its part of the disinformation to discredit tea.
I saw the same thing regarding the supposed soy controversy. I had come across a news article about this "soy controversy" and sure enough it purportedly shows that soy is somehow bad. Upon closer inspection you see that the the whole thing is deceptive. For instance they talk about the potential dangers of "soy products", but what they omit is that soy products are usually processed. We all know that food processing involves adding chemicals and additives that are potentially harmful. Wouldn't it be completely dishonest to then say "soy products are bad"?
I am very keen on both of these things because I'm japanese and both products are deeply embedded in our culture and we have been consuming this stuff all our lives. You simply would not be able to convince me that both tea and soy are bad because there's plenty of other studies that show quite the opposite.
I'm also now very suspicious about these so-called studies and reports that have been casting many different natural food products in a bad way. I feel that some of it is basically a smear campaign of sorts. I give credit to Dr. Mercola for being specific about his reporting and adding the tidbit about pollution, but otherwise I would be much more discerning with these reports that rush to the conclusion that tea is high in flouride content and therefore bad.
As to the poster above, it seems like you basically answered your question. That is it depends. You can't expect madthumbs to know about every specific tea and so you should try to find out yourself regarding the specific brand of tea you drink. After reading this I will stop drinking that cheap Lipton tea you can buy anywhere because I have completely no trust in these big corporations anymore. Most likely Lipton tea does contain high flouride content and therefore specifically this brand I am going to assume is bad. My parents have been drinking a variety of asian green tea. The ones you can buy at a local asian grocery with chinese letters on them. Ultimately I can't be 100% sure off course unless I can provide such information, but being that asians tend to drink a lot of tea and they still seem to be doing ok I am assuming that the tea is also ok.
Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:33 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
You'd have to jump through hoops to find or grow your own low fluoride tea, and I can't see how this warrants 6 lengthy paragraphs of opinion response. We are talking about the tea plant here, not herbal teas. Do some more research on soy, and avoid the subliminal commercials this time.
What is the difference between a tea plant and herbal teas? These articles just say don't drink tea because it is high in flouride content. I didn't really see any distinction nor would I have realized that the high flouride content is a result of POLLUTION if I didn't dig through this thread. After reading your posts one gets the impression wheat, soy, tea etc itself are bad for you. Not because they have been contaminated.
I don't think you are quite understanding my point. My point is not about pointing out a low flouride tea, it's that your posts regarding these foods are misleading that doesn't seem to adequately address the reason for the problems (pollution, GMO etc).
Was I wrong in my assessment about soy? Again the culprit is pointing to pesticides and GMOs etc. Not the soy itself correct?
Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:01 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
I linked to the soy threads for a reason: USE THEM if you want to discuss soy.
I don't understand what the picture is supposed to prove. You made a distinction between tea plants and herbal teas. Can you simply clarify that? What is the difference?
Are you also saying that any and all teas are bad? Even the ones the Chinese drink?
Unfortunately I disagree for the following reasons....
1. Going back to my Great Grandmother, she was one of the first Oral Surgeons and she was very pro fluoride. She had everyone in the family do regular fluoride rinses for their teeth and drink fluoride water. All of the people that followed her suggestions NEVER HAD A CAVITY AND STILL HAVE ALL OF THEIR TEETH.
2. If fluoride is so bad for your health, then why do all the dentists have children ages 0-18 do a fluoride rinse just before they leave the chair after they have their teeth cleaned?
3. If fluoride is so bad, then why are the people that followed these suggestions still alive. They were born in starting with 1901!!!!
4. If fluoride is so bad, then why was I told (after my own teeth cleaning 2 weeks ago) to make sure that I rinse with a fluoride and make sure that my daughter also did as best as I could, or at least have her brush her teeth with a fluoride tooth paste?
My Dear BellePrincess, did your Great Grandmother ever told you why they keep mentionning on every fluoridated toothpaste " NOT TO GIVE TO CHILDREN UNDER 7 YEARS" ??
$750,000 Given in Child's Death in Fluoride Case: Boy, 3, Was in City Clinic for Routine Cleaning
A State Supreme Court jury awarded $750,000 to the parents of a 3-year-old Brooklyn boy who, on his first trip to the dentist in 1974, was given a lethal dose of fluoride at a city dental clinic and then ignored for nearly five hours in the waiting rooms of a pediatric clinic and Brookdale Hospital while his mother pleaded for help, and he lapsed into a coma and died.
Mrs Kennedy testified that she took William, born on February 7, 1971, for his first dental checkup on May 24, 1974 to the Brownsville Dental Health Center, a city clinic at 259 Bristol Street.
There, he was examined by Dr. George, who found no dental caries and turned the boy over to Miss Cohen, a dental hygienist, for routine teeth-cleaning. After cleaning William's teeth, witnesses explained, Miss Cohen, using a swab, spread a stannous fluoride jell over the boy's teeth as a decay-preventive.
According to Mrs. Kennerly, Miss Cohen was engrossed in conversation while working on William and, after handing him a cup of water, failed to instruct him to wash his mouth out and spit out the solution. Mrs. Kennerly said William drank the water.
According to a Nassau County toxicologist, Dr. Jesse Bidanset, William ingested 45 cubic centimeters of 2 percent stannous fluoride solution, triple an amount sufficient to have been fatal.
William began vomiting, sweating and complaining of headache and dizziness. His mother, appealing to the dentist, was told the child had been given only routine treatment. But she was not satisfied, and was sent to the Brookdale Ambulatory Pediatric Care Unit in the same building.
Mrs. Kennerly testified that she had waited there two and a half hours, appealing for help, as her son became progressively more sick, lapsing into what she thought was sleep, but actually a coma.
Finally taken into an examination room, the boy was seen by Dr. Bathia, who summoned a supervisor. They injected adrenaline into the boy's heart to revive him. An ambulance took him to Brookdale Hospital, a five-minute drive away.
There, William and his mother waited more than an hour. By then, he had lapsed back into a coma, and as doctors attempted to pump his stomach, he went into cardiac arrest, and died at 2:10 p.m.
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NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
June 9, 1977
Blame City, Hospital in Boy's Death
By Daniel O'Grady
A 3-year-old Brooklyn boy who died of an overdose of fluoride after treatment at a city dental clinic was the victim of medical malpractice according to a Brooklyn Supreme Court malpractice screening panel. The boy's family is suing for $1 million.
By unanimous vote, the panel, made up of Supreme Court Justice John Monteleone, Dr. Clifford Cohen and attorney Jack Sternglass, found the city and Brookdale Hospital guilty of medical malpractice in the case of William Kennerly, who died of the fatal dose of fluoride on May 24, 1974.
His mother, Inez Kennergy, 42, of 300 Dumont Ave., Brownsville, Brooklyn, had taken William to the Brownsville Dental Health Center, 259 Bristol St., for routine dental work. Mrs. Kennerly and her husband, Clay, a transit worker, have seven other children.
Lapese Into Coma
Center workers smeared a fluoride paste, which is safe when applied in small amounts, on William's teeth and he became violently ill shortly afterwards. William, according to evidence presented to the panel, started vomiting and sweating and complained of headaches and then lapsed into a coma in his mother's arms.
She rushed the child into the Brookdale pediatric care unit, which was in the same building. The distraught mother and the sick child had to wait three hours for treatment, it was charged. Later, Mrs. Kennerly took William to nearby Brookdale Hospital, where, it was said, they had to wait another hour and a half.
William died two hours after arriving at the hospital. An autopsy revealed that he died from an overdose of fluoride.
A doctor testifying on behalf of the Kennerlys told the panel that the boy's life could have been saved merely by giving him a glass of salt water."
PS: Fluor is the second most poisonning element behind ARSENIC
95% Of Nations Have Rejected Or Banned Fluoridation!
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This video details the criminal fraud that is water fluoridation. Truly, you are being poisoned and told the poison is good for you.
95% of the world has either rejected or banned water fluoridation -- after studying it's effects. Quite an easy way to rebuff any idiot who attempts to defend it.
The Chinese conducted a study on fluoride's impact on the IQ of children, and found that it significantly impacts intelligence.
They rejected water fluoridation.
The United States government is criminal for this, and they know it. Politicians in D.C. don't drink it, as they have pure, unfluoridated tap water trucked in from springs in Arkansas and elsewhere.
NEW YORK, Jan. 2 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- "Some recent studies suggest that
over-consumption of fluoride can raise the risks of disorders affecting teeth,
bones, the brain and the thyroid gland," reports Scientific American editors
(January 2008). "Scientific attitudes toward fluoridation may be starting to
shift," writes author Dan Fagin.
"Fluoride, the most consumed drug in the USA, is deliberately added to 2/3 of
public water supplies theoretically to reduce tooth decay, but with no
scientifically-valid evidence proving safety or effectiveness," says lawyer
Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation.
Fagin, award-wining environmental reporter and Director of New York
University's Science, Health and Environmental Reporting Program, writes,
"There is no universally accepted optimal level for daily intake of fluoride."
Some researchers even wonder whether the 1 mg/L added into drinking water is
too much, reports Fagin.
After 3 years of scrutinizing hundreds of studies, a National Research Council
(NRC) committee "concluded that fluoride can subtly alter endocrine function,
especially in the thyroid -- the gland that produces hormones regulating
growth and metabolism," reports Fagin.
Fagin quotes John Doull, professor emeritus of pharmacology and toxicology at
the University of Kansas Medical Center, who chaired the NRC committee thusly,
"The thyroid changes do worry me."
Fluoride in foods, beverages, medicines and dental products can result in
fluoride over-consumption, visible in young children as dental fluorosis --
white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth. We can't normally see
fluoride's effects to the rest of the body.
Reports Fagin, "a series of epidemiological studies in China have associated
high fluoride exposures with lower IQ."
"(E)pidemiological studies and tests on lab animals suggest that high fluoride
exposure increases the risk of bone fracture, especially in vulnerable
populations such as the elderly and diabetics," writes Fagin.
Fagin interviewed Steven Levy, director of the Iowa Fluoride Study which
tracked about 700 Iowa children for sixteen years. Nine-year-old "Iowa
children who lived in communities where the water was fluoridated were 50
percent more likely to have mild fluorosis... than [nine-year-old] children
living in nonfluoridated areas of the state," writes Fagin. Levy will study
fluoride's effects on their bones.
Over 1200 professionals urge Congress to cease water fluoridation and conduct
Congressional hearings because scientific evidence indicates fluoridation is
ineffective and has serious health risks. Support them; write your
representative here:
salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2477/t/2782/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=21960
During sauna-based detoxification, and during heavy exercise, fluorine appears to mobilize from body stores. In sufficient quantities, such dumping can cause the symptoms of acute fluorine poisoning and have serious consequences. The fluorine re-entering the circulation can cause acidity (possibly hydrofluoric acid or related compound). Several measures have been found helpful adjuncts to sauna detox and general alleviation of fluoride-intoxication symptoms:
-- avoidance of acidic foods, such as citrus fruits
-- large quantities of supplemental calcium carbonate, which not only helps to de-acidify the body, but also binds fluorine --assisting in safe excretion of fluorine, and also helping replenish body calcium stores depleted by fluorine.
-- ingestion of a tablespoonful of lecithin twice daily, which helps protect nerve sheaths and kidney linings from corrosion/acidity
-- deep breathing of clean, fresh air when the body feels acidic and during the detox procedures, to help remove fluorine through respiration, and relieve some of the stress on the kidneys.
-- ingestion of copious amounts of fluorine-free water, to dilute body concentrations of fluoride and facilitate safe excretion
-- use of Stellaria spp. (common chickweed) as a tea. This plant, a common garden weed which is edible in apparently unlimited quantities without toxic effect, helps soothe inflamed kidneys. It should be gathered from areas free from animal contact and from pesticide/auto exhaust drift. Washed thoroughly, it can then be dried (maintaining color and activity) by placing in open container in a refrigerator, turning gently every day or so until thoroughly dried. It can then be stored in dark containers for a few months. Dose about half to full teaspoon of dried plant per 1 cup boiling water. Bring to boil, simmer a few minutes, then steep for 15-20 minutes. One or two swallows at a time as desired.
-- the sauna used in detoxification should either be "dry sauna," or if an Indian-type sweat lodge is used, then fluoride-free water should be used. Steam saunas using tap water may, in fluoride-containing water areas, add to the problem rather than helping to resolve it.
-- hair loss due to fluoride poisoning (also useful in treatment of organic mercury-related hair loss). After gently washing with "natural" shampoo and rinsing, gently rub into scalp "organic" cold-pressed olive oil to which has been added: a bit of strong nettle (Urtica sp, commonly available in health food stores) tea, and dissolved vitamin/mineral supplements as desired (not too much). After rubbing into scalp and hair, wrap head (paper towels, cloth, etc.) for about 20 minutes, then wash out.
Note: Once mobilization has been started, it may continue, with largest amounts of fluorine in circulation in the evenings. The supportive measures of water, calcium, deep breathing, and Stellaria tea can be utilized at any time as needed.
