Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
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God shows no favorism in race.
That is a complete and utter lie.
Noah's ark was all about racism:
Genesis 6:9 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God
YHWH made everlasting covenants based on race:
Genesis 17:19 19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Even Jesus (YHWH in Flesh) shows racism:
Matthew 15:22-26 22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Now you cannot explain this away as many try. It's like using the N* word then saying "I was just testing you".
It wouldnt of made any difference what nationality that woman was. The point of that verse was she cried out. She received help because she cried out, not her race.
God needed someone to warn the people of what was to come. Noah was the only righteous man to be found. Can you tell me what nationality he was? Race didnt have to do anything with these scriptures. My friend we cant put them in a way to meet our own understanding. When God tells us to not lean on our own understanding. Another thing to remember is the Bible never contradicts itself.
Eight people went into the ark. Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives. In those 8 people God preserved the DNA of every race present on the earth today. You call that racism?
It's interesting to know that that Jesus never claimed to be Jewish. The only thing he claimed was that he is the son of man or son of God
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:15 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
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When God tells us to not lean on our own understanding.
(Be an idiot for God)
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Another thing to remember is the Bible never contradicts itself.
You know, madthumbs, you are beginning to irritate me. Absolutly NONE of those quotes had ANYTHING to do with racism. You are just manipulating the text to make it agree with your thoughts; at least TRY to be open minded, ok? I'm not a full-fledged christian, but I'm not atheist either. I read this forum with a completely open mind, and I'm seeing more sense in Cody2's points. I mean, come on! Even I have heard the story about Noah, so I know that 'perfect' meant holy,spiritual perfection, that kind of mumbo-jumbo, not racial perfection.
Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:57 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Dylan,
Genesis 6:9 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 6:1-4 Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
show me the racism in the quote....cuz I'm just not seeing it.
Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:24 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
The OP establishes hatred for homosexuals.
Genesis 9:20-22 20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
where's the homosexuality in that? he saw his dad drunk and nude, and warned his brothers. and whats the YHWH stand for?
Dude no offense but you just showed your ignorance for biblical text by asking that question.
The point of this post is that the Bible is strung with hate all over it and people use it as morality text and then wonder why the world is so f--- up.
Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:57 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Dylan's on banned status. You'll see some of his waste of space posts in the fight bin.
If I remember correctly, Jordan Maxwell made a good point once. He was reading verses out of the Bible and said it was talking about Astrology. Then went on to say that everyone was being told Astrology was bad.
I think the verse is Job 38 verses 31-32
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Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
That was the King James' Version
Look up the term for Mazzaroth.. it stands for the constellations.
Now for another version...that I have no idea which version it is.. but here these verses are saying NOT to deal in astrology, constellations, or worry about "signs" in the sky.
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All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by. That is all they can do for you—these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you (Isaiah 47:13-15).
Hear what the LORD says to you, O house of Israel.This is what the LORD says: "Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the sky, though the nations are terrified by them" (Jeremiah 10:1-2).
In every matter of wisdom and understanding about which the king questioned them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and enchanters in his whole kingdom (Daniel 1:20).
Now don't kill the messenger here! This wasn't my original idea, and I'm just repeating what I heard before. Blame Jordan Maxwell. lol Take it or leave it as you will. I just thought it was interesting, in conjunction with the original quote that the bible never contradicts itself.
The Bible isn't the "word" of god anyway. It's the word of man. Actually several men had their hands in it. If you really research the term "word" you will see it has a different meaning altogether. It's not to be taken literally that "god" actually has vocal cords, lungs and lips to shout out. It's to signify the energy used in creation.
And don't forget that before the bible came around, there were a LOT of crucified "saviours." Jesus wasn't the first. The link below isn't the only one. This info is plastered all around the internet. You'd have to confirm the information yourself though by going back to ancient texts.
I'm sure madthumbs has tons of these videos on his site.
Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:09 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
pstiffy wrote:
Dylan wrote:
and whats the YHWH stand for?
Yahweh
No, that's just a guess. People were so afraid to use his name that they didn't include the vowels (supposedly).
I've seen it argued that his name is actually closer to IEVE.
Some call him JHVH.
The name is insignificant, what's important is how he's defined. The KJV is what started it all for the majority, and is what was used to spread Christianity most; so that's what I use. For all we know; anything else could be created to whitewash.
If God loved everyone; why would he condemn some to hell?:
Genesis 13:13
13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
Luke
10He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,
" 'though seeing, they may not see;
though hearing, they may not understand.'
Some people use the story of Sodom and Gommorah to show YHWH's disdain for homosexuality. Unfortunately this story isn't so air tight as homosexuality wasn't the only issue (though elsewhere in the Bible YHWH does endorse rape):
Deuteronomy 21
11And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
Homosexuality is a punishment inflicted by YHWH:
Romans
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Romans 1:32
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Leviticus 18
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon the
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 1:10
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Jude 1:7
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Hey dude, God does not hate homosexuals, if you are really a interested in the bible, which it seems like you are because you are very interested in this subject, you would know that God only hates sin. Their is no where in the bible where it says God hates any individual, and if so please point it out to me in scripture. I have read the bible and I am very familiar with the chapters. To put this in a better example lets say you are a parent and you found out your child is into heavy drugs, would you stop loving them and dissown them, HATE Them, no of course not. You would not like what your kid is doing but you still love them and will be there for them. This is what God does, he watches out for us and helps us when we stumble. Also for those of you who said the Bible is Mumbo-Jumbo, then how could one or many individuals predict such an accurate future. Reason they can't. READ REVELATIONS. Do you hear about the mark of the beast, for the right hand or in the forhead, Well gues what it is already out, it is a small chip that is inserted in your body. As small as a grain of rice. Also have you heard of a one world government,....same currency. Read the bible it has it in their to.
There is too much of a coincidence for all the bible to be a fake. For my final comment please do not read the Bible by only one verse, read the chapter at least, if not you will take verse's out of context and will be even more lost. Do not be ignorant and listen to people's one sided story. Remeber there is always two sides to something and read between the lines.
P.S. Cody2 right on dude, you know your scripture.