Ron Paul and the John Birch Society

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-THINK TRUTH.- wrote:

Ron Paul is:

anti-gay,
anti-choice,
anti-feminist,
anti-universal health care,
anti-environmental,
anti-union and
anti-regulation.

Ron Paul is in favor of letting billionaires pay no taxes. He supports corporate welfare. He supports unrestricted and unlicensed ownership of any and every firearm ever invented.

Ron Paul opposes full funding of public education and the National Endowment for the Arts. He advocates Christian prayer in school. He is everything bad about Libertarians combined with the worst aspects of Republicanism.

He wants to bring troops home. Big deal. So does Kucinich. So does Edwards. Ron Paul is a right-wing extremist who just happens to come down on the left side of ONE issue. Apart from that one, he is a neo-con, corporatist swine, just like all the other anti-American pigs on the GOP ticket.

To put it simply: sexual intercourse Ron Paul.

I would be worried about the cult following he has acquired, were it not for the fact that Ron Paul is more likely to win the bronze in Female Gymnastics in 2008 than the GOP nomination.

Spread the word: Ron Paul's a turd.

Typically, when I make these points about Ron Paul, one of his cult-like followers makes a really bright counter-argument, like, "You're an asshole. Go to Hell. You should have your mouth filled in with cement, you dumb-shit." The spelling is not typically that good, though.

Ah, the free exchange of political view-points... how refreshing!

I find it telling that Ron Paul's supporters have literally nothing constructive to say to these criticisms. This is the thing that has me utterly convinced that Ron Paul is just another neo-con swine: resorting to character assassination in lieu of valid arguments. If you can't retort, just swift-boat the liberal bastard!

Ron Paul is a plant. He's on the scene to dupe progressives into jumping the aisle. I've been amazed at the otherwise seemingly intelligent folks who support him. Kucinich outshines him in every way. Not only does Kucinich outshine him in every way, a sick lightning bug in broad daylight would outshine him in every way.

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Madthumbs where did you get that quote from? Can you please provide a link?

I'm interested because I started to feel the same way about Ron Paul. That he is an "useful idiot". Despite the hatred of him by the media and the Republican party he has been getting media time, but who has been conspicuously absent? Kucinich.

Good thread here. It started to dawn on me that Ron Paul is actually a new, sophisticated strategy by the people in charge to fool the people. There's no mistake that he is actually getting media time.

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Providing a link that would work would be impossible.

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Can you provide some background or any relevant information regarding this quote? Otherwise it just comes across as a rambling of a mad man with no sources or citations. Perhaps it should be in code and not a quote then.

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quit thread trashing

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	Can you provide some background or any relevant information regarding this quote?

I gave the name of the apparent author along with a DIRECT QUOTE! What more do you want? If I don't provide a link, or url it's because it was a private, not publicly made statement, or it's because I didn't want to!

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	Otherwise it just comes across as a rambling of a mad man with no sources or citations.

So what? It points out some things about Ron Paul that people could decipher for themselves, but don't often think about. Kinda like how people get into a religious ferver about how great their God is that they ignore and gloss over things like infant genital mutilation, sex slavery, genocide, etc. This is just pointing out some of the obvious, and it's not my quote so it may have wording or content I don't agree with. It does get people to think, and that's it's purpose in being posted here.

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	Perhaps it should be in code and not a quote then.

It's a quote! Something you could have looked for on a search engine if you cared so much! If you can run a forum better, go do it! Quite wasting our time here with nonsensical criticism.

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How was I supposed to know "Think Truth" was the author's name and it was a PM? That's all you had to say. Isn't it only reasonable that someone asks about the validity of the source and content? Isn't that after all what you say about Alex Jones?

Aren't you overreacting a little and saying thread trashing? I mentioned it was a good threat and that I am agreeing with the notion that Ron Paul is a mole. I merely questioned that particular quote. Relax and stop replying with cryptic responses then.

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Madthumbs, I've always respected you and I've always considered opposingdigits.com to be one of the most informational pages on the internet, but it is really, REALLY obvious that you know next to nothing about politics.

A Ron Paul presidency wouldn't further the agenda of big corporations, which is why the shit on him constantly and don't give him proper media attention. What we have now is corporatism, or fascism. When the government starts regulating industry, problems and conflicts of interest arise. The free market system begins to fail and eventually becomes overrun by excessive rules and regulations PUSHED FOR BY THE BIG CORPORATIONS! Corporate leaders know that in a true free market economy, there is an abundance of COMPETITION, which drives down the prices for goods and services. But when the corporations get in bed with the government, through regulations, the corporations take the role of "friends with benefits" in that they lobby the government to regulate various industries (perfect example: cannabis), limiting competition. When competitions is limited, corporations grow to epic proportions. Big Petro is so big today because of the lack of a true free market, and the lack of competition in the industry. Hemp was outlawed long ago because the special interests lobbied Congress.

This is why you see Hillary Clinton receive so many corporate donations. One wouldn't think that Wall Street would support a Democrat, as the "liberals" as we know them today have always been in favor of regulating the private-sector, would ya? Don't corporations hate regulations? Contrary to popular belief, no they don't! Not when the people with the money and power are the ones lobbying for regulations that hurt their corporations the least, but that hurt small businesses and alternative means the most. You see, when the government starts meddling in these affairs, it never turns out well, no matter who is in charge. To quote the great economist Milton Friedman, "There are always (in these cases) two groups of sponsors. There are the well-meaning sponsors, and there are the special interests who are using the well-meaning sponsors as front-men. You almost always, when you have bad programs, have an unholy coalition of the do-gooders on the one hand, and the special interests on the other."

Specifically, he was talking about minimum wage laws, but this quote can absolutely be applied to the broader picture.

Unfortunately, we're currently hurtling down the road to socialism. Universal health care, higher taxes, the continuation of the welfare state, more social programs, and more governmental control and oversight of not only the corporate world, but American's personal lives as well.

Ron Paul is for small, limited, constitutional government. That means he wants you to be able to live your life like you want to live it. He doesn't think one should be passive and complacent while the government flat out steals anywhere from 20%-50% of your income. He doesn't think we shouldn't put up a fight against the oppressive ways of the Federal Reserve, a secretive, unconstitutional agency that is the true cause for the erosion of the middle class in America. He argues for the principle of "blowback" in dealing with the Middle East. One must realize that our constant meddling over there since at least 1953, when we overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran over oil, has caused great resentment. This incident in particular led to the Iranian Hostage Crisis in the late 1970's. They hate us because we've been over there. They hate us for three reasons, not one of them being out quickly eroding "freedoms": 1. Our presence on the Arabian Peninsula, Muslim holy land; 2. Our continued, blind support of Israel.; and 3., Our sanctions and bombing of Iraq since the Gulf War that has left over 100,000 dead. Our deranged foreign policy of the last century is directly to blame for out hatred around the world, specifically in the Middle East. So rather than continue the giant mistake (purposeful, of course) that is Iraq, we need to correct it before any more of our soldiers are killed and maimed. Iraq is an artificial country, along with most of the Middle East, set up by western cultures. The boundaries are less than a century old. Iraq will be in a state of general disarray after we get the hell out of there, but is it not in a state of general disarray as we speak?! To think that we can make it better by staying there longer, trying to fiddle with the code, is absolutely naive. They want us out of there, plain and simple, so why not get out now, while we still can? Quite frankly, if we don't get out soon, we won't be out of there for at the very least 20 years, more than likely much longer. I mean, look at South Korea! We've been over there for decades.

We currently have men stationed in over 130 countries all over the world. Why? Because we're no longer the anti-imperialist nation that we once were. We've become the policeman of the world, and it's only working to cause resentment worldwide.

I think it would be most wise to heed Dr. Paul's message before we get entangled in another nation for who knows how long. We obviously can't fix everything under a Ron Paul presidency, as he himself has stated many times, but we'll definitely be making a monumental step in the right direction.

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	but it is really, REALLY obvious that you know next to nothing about politics.

- I agree with you on this.

Consider these:

You're right, I know next to nothing about politics. I have little interest in them because they're a waste of time. A politician is not our solution. Consider postcardsfrompalestine's signature:

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	we have met the enemy, and they are us.

If we want freedoms, we have to take them and give them to ourselves. Government is organized crime. Making government smaller isn't going to reduce organized crime. It's the enemy we need to work on. It's like nit-picking Zionism while ignoring that it's just one of many tragic symptoms of Christianity. If Ron has good information: share the information. Pretending that Ron is our only hope is a self defeatist attitude. If he alone was a threat to the establishment: he would be stopped.

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madthumbs wrote:

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	but it is really, REALLY obvious that you know next to nothing about politics.

- I agree with you on this.

Consider these:

I predicted that a really popular President would take over after Bush did the damage he needed to. The purpose - to restore nationalism while keeping the status quo.

Are you a betting man Madthumbs? Cool

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	People supporting Ron Paul seem totally ignorant of vote fraud (which should be addressed first and foremost). Even mainstream-only people are aware of vote fraud.

FALSE! Most of us know very well of the Diebold (they've now changed their name, like that'll make us forget) voting machines and vote fraud. We've been griping about them for nearly the entire campaign, specifically to the heads of the state-level GOP. That in itself is a tough battle, and, as Ron Paul supporters, is our biggest enemy. Trust that we know very well of the problem.

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	Who's supporting Ron Paul and why?

Ron Paul has one of the most diverse groups of followers I've ever encountered. "Democrats", "Republicans", independents, Greens, libertarians, paleo-conservatives, liberals, etc. His support includes Alex Jones followers (I can't stand some of those guys, they go around marginalizing our boy by spouting off conspiracy-theorist shit to people they're trying to win over: COUNTER PRODUCTIVE!), people that want to get back to a weak federal government that doesn't have a stranglehold on their lives, Constitutionalists, anarchists, people that have grown fed up with both parties and want a real change, etc. I'll tell you who doesn't support him: corporate heads, the elites, corrupt and crooked politicians, war hawks, war profiteers, neo-conservatives, socialists, fascists...

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	If government didn't regulate things, wouldn't we still have a Black Slave Trade?

No. Did the government ever regulate the black slave trade? We had a civil war, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't directly about slavery at all. Lincoln didn't give a damn about black people. We didn't need a bloody civil war to end slavery, it would have died out on its own.

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	If Ron did become President, could he actually fix anything?

He'd be a damn good start. Like he's said, it's a gradual process. The average American has grown so dependent on the government to take care of them from cradle to grave that this really needs to be a process. We can't fix everything over night, but we can fix some things. The IRS, the income tax, foreign aid to the likes of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc, the war, and nation building for example.

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	What religion does Ron represent, and if it's Christianity - isn't he serving to whitewash it?

Yes, he's a Christian. I'm not one, and I don't agree with the whole Christian philosophy, but let's be honest. If he were an atheist or agnostic, he wouldn't stand a chance in hell. He's for religious freedom, meaning he's not going to impose his religion on everybody, like the fanatical religious right wants to. You'll never find a candidate that matches up to your personal beliefs 100%. Even the most dominant sports teams lose a few games along the way.

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You're right, I know next to nothing about politics. I have little interest in them because they're a waste of time. A politician is not our solution. Consider postcardsfrompalestine's signature:

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	we have met the enemy, and they are us.

If we want freedoms, we have to take them and give them to ourselves. Government is organized crime. Making government smaller isn't going to reduce organized crime. It's the enemy we need to work on. It's like nit-picking Zionism while ignoring that it's just one of many tragic symptoms of Christianity. If Ron has good information: share the information. Pretending that Ron is our only hope is a self defeatist attitude. If he alone was a threat to the establishment: he would be stopped.

Making government smaller and less intrusive will help. Government is a necessary evil. Anarchism may work in theory, but we're too far gone to even try that. I'd say that your attitude is a defeatist attitude in that your ideals will never come to be. This whole movement is more about the message that Ron Paul is spreading. He has the support because he was the one willing to take it on. He's merely the messenger, as he has said himself, of the freedom message, the message of liberty. You got any better ideas sir? Moderating an online message board isn't my idea of fixing anything, no offense.

He is a threat to the establishment, that's why he's never covered. What are they gonna do, kill him to make him a martyr?! C'mon now, they're smarter than that!

Great, now I'm gonna be late for work! Evil or Very Mad

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	Are you a betting man Madthumbs?

Not really, but life is full of bets we must make whether we are or not.

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	No. Did the government ever regulate the black slave trade? We had a civil war, but contrary to popular belief, it wasn't directly about slavery at all. Lincoln didn't give a damn about black people. We didn't need a bloody civil war to end slavery, it would have died out on its own.

I think slavery evolved and still exists. You make a good point though.. government didn't change the situation: the people did.

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	Yes, he's a Christian. I'm not one, and I don't agree with the whole Christian philosophy, but let's be honest. If he were an atheist or agnostic, he wouldn't stand a chance in hell.

None of the people I'm working with at the moment are Christian, and many despise it. I remember being discouraged from posting exposes on Christianity, yet this site is surpassing much older Christian owned similar sites in traffic even despite somewhat heavy handed moderation. Atheist and Agnostic aren't the only other choices either. There is a disgust of Christianity building. There is awareness rising concerning it. Putting an upstanding atheist up against a crooked Christian shouldn't be a problem in a fair election.

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	Making government smaller and less intrusive will help.

The wealthy will still control through other forms of organized crime. As long as money exists, there will be mercenaries and thugs.

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	I'd say that your attitude is a defeatist attitude in that your ideals will never come to be.

Possibly. I do also believe it's a process. If people can be converted to Christian, they can be converted to something else. Christianity is the cause of most of our problems.

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	This whole movement is more about the message that Ron Paul is spreading.

We have better suited people here for that job. People who aren't under the influence of a sick religion.

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	Moderating an online message board isn't my idea of fixing anything, no offense.

I do much more than moderate. I advertise the hell out of this site, promote articles, etc. TotalitarianTipToe has produced an excellent documentary and a couple great articles I edited, and we published. There's a hell of a lot of work I do behind the scenes which is why many of you are reading this between your quests for online pr0n Razz

. I'd like to think that we're raising awareness of many things, not just corrupt politics. Moderating is an important job. Making the information easy to find without stepping on the wrong toes is work.

Good dialog! -Sorry it made you run late.

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Bob Dacy filling in for Alex Jones mp3

Documented, documented by who? - INTERRUPTED and SHUT OFF

More Bob Dacy filling in for Alex Jones mp3

From 2:38:

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	If the Birch Society is some evil communist plot to help the New World Order

This quote fits right in with something I wrote prior:

	madthumbs @ http://opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=18269#18269 wrote:
	Robert Welch who founded the John Birch Society was apparently under Zionist influence for absorbing and deflecting the energy and money of freedom fighting Americans from the Zionist Conspiracy against America to the Communist Conspiracy.

I don't trust anyone that routinely uses the term: 'New World Order' either. It has a religious mind control connotation.

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	edisme wrote:
	Thanks to Cataclysm Towards Imperialism from myspace for this info. History of JBS JBS and Aryan Nation JBS and KKK JBS and JFK Assassination

Aren't the old books great. I gotta find that book.

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ron paul is a sheep herder like the rest of the buffoon that are selected as candidate for presidency
no sheep wants to rise up and make things better for everyone due to fear of death
admit it, we are all pussies we rather crawl into a hole so punks will leave us alone
what good do demonstrator do? it does nothing all it does is serve entertainment values
much like someone who's whining about war being a bad thing, yes it bad but if you want to stop it take action don't sit on your ass or stand on a road with a stupid sign" no war" it does not work that's retarded.
as long as the crowd continues to believe that they are weak and that their numbers don't mean shit they will be enslaved indefinitely or exterminated in the near future little by little much like killing roaches
why isn't what people do work? because you need a plan to succeed you don't just go out into the world and start shouting" murders everywhere" the sheep mind believes that people in general are evil and needs to be controlled by the few who knows a lot more then them that is so true that they know next to nothing about the few that knows everything about them
I do not believe in one world government or in any form of government that the people have no rights to express themselves or to live peacefully. What's wrong with any form of government? they all work in secrecy, they all have one thing in common the the power rule over the mass that the people must serve them whether they like it or not.
Its a modern form of feudalism or monarchy which disguises itself to serve the people when our rights are nonexistent in reality. does everyone notice that ron paul stutters alot and fumble with words? doesn't that tell you that what he say may not be his word but the words of others who want to fool americans into believing in him.
Listen this bs has got to stop, only you the people can stop this insaneness. Only the majority can put a stop to all these lies
While the mass are busy at everyday life trying to outproduce each other giving as many offspring as possible these so called "sheep killer" are thinking of more clever ways to exterminate others they feel are unfit to exist.
I am only a messenger, don't attack me or anyone that speaks out for the good of all.

I will say this one last time and this will scare even psycho Shocked

"What doesn't kill you will make you stronger"
"learn from your mistake, I know many do not learn from many mistakes so don't expect thing to change for the better anytime soon if you continue to fall in the same hole everytime you walk."

If I want to be like the majority I must become retarded or act like one. Don't call this an insult it is constructive criticism. Applause

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Researchers: Ron Paul campaign e-mails originating from spambots

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The University of Alabama-Birmingham's computer forensics research department, which collects spam messages as part of its Spam Data Mining for Law Enforcement Applications project, analyzes hundreds of thousands of e-mail messages per month. When it began getting bombarded with e-mails about Ron Paul immediately following a Republican debate on TV, the lab began to examine their origin and saw consistent patterns that it described as "disturbing."

The e-mails originated from IPs all over the world, but researchers' suspicions were aroused when they found that the e-mails purported to come from different countries than their IPs indicated. Messages claiming to come from the US were actually coming from Korea, for example, and messages claiming to come from Italy were actually coming from the US. The pattern showed that the messages were clearly not coming from Ron Paul's official campaign, but rather illegitimate spam operations and botnets.

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http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/stormfront-radio-town-hall-fromm-141878p417.html

Charles A Lindbergh wrote:

I've talked a good bit with Rep. Duke about my own years as a Member of the John Birch Society back in the 1970s.

The JBSers are a very sincere, good group of White folks. The great Revilo P. Oliver was one of the Society's founders. What caused Revilo Oliver to quit were two gaping holes in what the hierarchy of the JBS will allow Members to discuss at Chapter meetings: race and Jewish influence.

All of us JBS Members were given a pamphlet when we joined entitled "The Neutralizers". This pamphlet out of the headquarters, then in Belmont, Massachusetts, sternly urged JBS Members to stay away from discussions of race and discussions about Jewish power.

Revilo P. Oliver crossed swords with Founder Robert Welch on these two taboos. Oliver quit over these two taboos.

I was one of the tens of thousands of well-meaning JBSers who were diverted away from these two absolutely central issues as JBS Members. As you read the current JBS magazine, The New American, you will see that the taboo laid out in "The Neutralizers" is still there, by and large. Unfortunately.

As Birchers we were led to believe that the big evil that's loose in the world has names like "communism", "socialism", "dictatorship", "tyranny", "welfare", and "immorality". Our programs were things like: "Get the U.S. out of the U.N. and get the U.N. out of the U.S". Or "Support Your Local Police". We had a little magazine called Conservative Digest that rated all 535 Congress Members on a scale of 0 - 100 as good Conservatives or bad Liberals.

So, very sincerely, we all went off tilting against these windmills. When you go to a JBS gathering you will immediately notice that these are ALL good White folks. And you will also notice that they quietly believe many of the things that "The Neutralizers" told them not to think about. I have great hope that there are plenty of JBS Members who read Stormfront, and that they will both join our groups and activities AND gradually change the John Birch Society itself until race and Jewish power are no longer taboo topics at all in any JBS Chapter meeting.

The number of patriots who started out in the John Birch Society, especially among older patriots, is remarkable.

"The JBSers are a very sincere, good group of White folks."

"sternly urged JBS Members to stay away from discussions of race and discussions about Jewish power"