Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8244 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
The Vegan Myth
There's no such thing as a Vegan: It's a myth!
Humans swallow millions of spiders and insects in their sleep.
Eat Catsup or any other processed food? - How do they keep insects, snakes, spiders, etc out?
Do horses and cows not eat meat in nature? Not even the slugs, aphids, gnats, eggs, and larvae attached to grasses and other natural foods?
Do vegans ever use herbs like clove, wormwood, and black walnut extract to treat themselves for parasites? Would that be a vegan no-no? Must they avoid these things as well as garlic so they don't harm any parasites?
All the vegans I knew well had a pet cat or more. Cats are carnivores who like to play with their prey. Do pet cat's get wormed? Are they forced to be vegan? Is captivating an animal, taking it out of nature, and feeding it an un-natural food more ethical than eating meat?
If a vegan has a house thats infested with termites, carpenter ants, cockroaches, rodents, etc... what do they do?
What if an animal is hit by a car.. does the vegan let the meat rot instead of eating it or providing it to meat eaters?
Isn't vegan more of an ideology or self glorifying label than a practical way of life?
Me? - I care more about the suffering of creatures than the taking of their lives. If people truly care about this; why not raise and slaughter humanely for people who don't strive for such an ideal?
We know of Cannibals, and of Eskimos who eat almost 100% meat diets. Do we know of any tribes or groups of people who's numbers are significant that abstain from flesh?
Is Cannibalism bad? When an army wipes out another army without toxic weapons, and the victorious army is low on quality food; isn't it a waste to not consume the dead? They killed them anyway, and it would spare animals.
Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:55 pm
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Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 258 Location: kalifornia
Yes, it would seem the ideal Vegan cannot avoid 'sinning' during their lifetime.
We have the unique position of atop the food chain. From here some of us speculate at all the carnage we bring on those below us. It's as if we question our spot in the universe, without the notion of a natural predator to destroy our lives we feel almost lost. Something tells me a vegan wouldn't feel so much for all the animals if a higher evolved being kept us in cages and gave growth hormones on the daily.
I think it's a noble ambition and definitely not something to put down. Everyone here, of course, is aware of the treatment of animals on farms and their services for animal testing of products. Vegans work well to bring about the formation of true animal rights.
Madthumbs does point out, however, the efficacy of the Vegan diet. I wouldn't suggest vegan unless it was THE diet humans should use, and that is not proven yet.
As for examples of vegans, the hunza's of the Himalayas eat only 1 percent animal products (here). I would like to see more data on this however; i don't know how you determine 1 percent of a dietary plan...plus, in an article you posted in this thread by Dr. Krebs, Jr casually discusses their eating of butter and cheese. It's difficult to eat just 1 percent of butter and cheese, they add to a lot of foods.
In conjunction with the Hunza diet, Dr. Jon barron in his book, Lessons from the Miracle Doctors talks about the importance of the structure and function of the alimentary canal for determining what a species diet should include. He goes through the animal kingdom, compares man's system to carnivores, herbivores and omnivores and places them in herbivore/omnivore category, with herbivore being more important. Very good chapter. (the book is available for download at his site; i have it somewhere but i can't find it. If i do i'll post the pertinent information. It's audio chapter 5: Diet the slow killer found here or just search jon barron on itunes).
