Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 674 Location: Hell on earth
people make no sense... I don't know why they are against capitalism, seems to me the biggest problem is the government taking over everything and crushing the private sector... hell they want socialized medicine now, or something similar... last i checked that's not capitalism...
regardless... most of these protest groups, regardless of what they're protesting, act tough then back off and cry when they get tear gassed... if you're gonna take on the cops stop using rock and dumpsters and start using some guns/bombs/knives...
going out and chanting crap while wearing masks and holding cameras (instead of guns) doesn't stop them from using teargas and rubber bullets and who knows what else against you...
as far as media is concerned, it doesn't matter who records the video, the mainstream media is gonna spin it their way regardless so these people might as well go all out... maybe if enough people start actually firefighting the cops it might be enough of a distraction that a coup or something can be staged to overthrow and dismantle the government
people make no sense... I don't know why they are against capitalism, seems to me the biggest problem is the government taking over everything and crushing the private sector... hell they want socialized medicine now, or something similar... last i checked that's not capitalism...
That's right, it's not capitalism. And the USSR and China didn't (and don't) practice communism. It's what the word "capitalism" has come to mean though, just like the word "communism" has come to mean what everyone thinks it means. That's irrelevant. The point is they are peaceful protesters protesting a fascist (by definition in fact) takeover of the world. That's what the G20 represents.
You seem to never have anything good to say about anyone who does anything. I find protests somewhat useless as well, but what would you suggest? Violent, armed revolution? That's certainly a good way to get most of us killed and locked up, there's no hope of defeating these thugs with violence.
Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:15 pm
alexclaton VIP
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 674 Location: Hell on earth
peter griffin wrote:
So you're ok with cops beating people?
of course not... how is complaining doing anything about it? perhaps beating the cops might remind them that they too are human...
violence may not be the best way but Ive yet to see non-violence get anything done... if you agree protesting doesn't do anything then what are your suggestions? throw rocks at them? that's violence... or you could sit there and take it. fact is when something cannot be dissuaded from causing you harm using violence is the only way to retaliate. there's 2 other ways, 1 is basically become indestructible which means they no longer pose you a threat and therefore do not need to cause them harm... the second way is to find a way to disarm them, honestly if we could render all their guns and other weapons completely useless without harming them I personally think this is the best option, sadly I don't know how to do it...
perhaps some ideas?
violence is used against those that pose a threat to your life and/or well being... if we can neutralize that threat without killing or hurting people that would be awesome, sadly i know of no known way to do so. so that leaves violence because usually fascist jack-offs don't want to talk/discuss.... after all they feel you are beneath them and should do as commanded. how do you try to reason with people who feel they are Superior to you?
most people don't agree with me and that's fine, im simply pointing out what i see. fact is I'm not jesus or ghandi or any other holier then thou person... i don't really care what people do, as long as they aren't hurting anyone/thing. however when someone threatens my life and well being and cant be talked out of their transgression I have no problem eliminating them from existence... and if i fail and die, oh well im dead so who cares....
The emerging revolution is actually staged and goes along with the whole bible / endtimes storyline / 2012 play which could be nothing more than an underlying "chosenness" agenda blueprint. The ongoing emergence of this revolution can be likened to the hyping up of a Hollywood movie when anticipation builds as its teaser trailers are incrementally proliferated leading up to the official release date.
Most "truth" information movements and dissent groups are infiltrated, are trojans, and are controlled on a multi-faceted level. A lot of the protesters in that video are probably designated actors who are mixed in with real protesters. The revolution itself is designed to fail as it is already built on movements that have clashing motives on an eventual fatal collision course down the road. The biggest names -- the so called "leaders" and promoters -- of these so called "truth" movements are most likely well trained PSYOP agents. A large portion of their fan-base is most likely controlled as well.
It is important to be aware of the propaganda that is known as "America" and its concealed history of puppeteered revolutions and wars. It is a corporation built on a superimposed constitution written by colonialists who are most undeserving of the title "the founding fathers". Let's not forget that they subscribed to imperial concepts that are in direct adherence to the Manifest Destiny ideology -- which in itself, is an offshoot of the Judaic "chosenness" religious impetus. The general Americas that we know of today are the products of historical colonialism, land-grabbing, religious indoctrination, and cultural imperialism from centuries past. America, Canada, the so called "free world" are illusions which are originally designed to eventually fail leading up to the climax of the underlying "chosenness" agenda.
Global fascism in today's world cannot be stopped under these current conditions. The enemy is too sophisticated and too complex with its tactics being increasingly multi-layered. Guns and protests and dissent only play into the enemy's hands; for all those things are material (they are superficial, they are on the surface).
Only a true revolution can happen within, not without. Refusal to persist this simple but relativistically difficult to apply QM principle leads to the continued perpetuation of this accelerating matrix of personal encroachment; the war taking place within your mind, if you will.
An inner scientific revolution must take place so as to free one's self from all the disruptive belief systems which revolve around the concept of "mortality" and ultimately "fear". These are the illusions which are currently being projected. Money, jobs, debt (dependency), "truth" movements, guns, protests, wars, government, race, politics, the belief in matter, are all fear-based concept projections.
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but what would you suggest?
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perhaps some ideas?
Because the answer I will give is related to a subject matter that will stray away from this thread, I will post it here.
Alex, my suggestion is to be smart enough to stay out of it and clever enough to avoid the traps set up to keep us enslaved. Easier said than done, I know. I happen to agree with TTT that the fomenting of revolution we are witnessing is staged and led by the same people who are getting fat off of our labor. If we get violent in response, if we follow along with the build up of anger and frustration, then we are still playing their game, because at the moment they still need at least the pretense of an excuse to lock us up or kill us, publicly that is. Being a well behaved slave is one side of the coin, being a violent rebel is the other. I'm not a pacifist, but it's a dream to believe we can defeat them at their own, violent game. Malcolm X said that a man needs to speak the language of his oppressor, and the language of the (white) establishment is violence. Well, I agree with that and I disagree. We need to know their language, but speak it only as a most desperate last resort.
How to stay out of it, well, that's the question of the millennium. As I am certain that these words are going to be analyzed by some sort of intelligence gathering computer (like in the EU), I've decided to keep my online activity to a minimum, so I won't be too detailed, call me paranoid. But to avoid it one needs to be out of the system as far as possible. Whether that means growing food, being self employed, not using banks or credit cards, whatever, is up to each individual. I feel, unfortunately, that we can no longer help those who are so absorbed in the system that they cannot see what's happening, it's far too late for that. We can only help ourselves, and our families and friends. In fact, I believe it's our responsibility, as aware individuals, to help them. Each individual case will be different. You may need to plant a garden (hopefully you already have) to learn how to grow nutritious, organic food, because growing food is quite difficult if you've never done it. You may need to figure out a way to become self employed. Self sufficiency. That's the key, that's the game winner. At the very least it will allow you and your close friends and family to have a decent life.
As far as QI goes, well, the basic premise I believe. I am 100% confident that my wife and I, and my family will be OK no matter what. That's not a wish, I am certain because I know what to do. But having a positive mind set is always a plus, negativity seems to lead to defeat no matter what.
Welcome to the post-democratic era, the rules are all different.
Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:44 pm
alexclaton VIP
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 674 Location: Hell on earth
You're right peter, I never really had any intention of being involved in their bogus revolution to begin with... At the moment I take care of my father who has MS , the medical system failed him (surprise surprise ), so I'm taking care of him till he dies... after, depending on whether or not stupid shits on this planet piss me off or leave me alone I may cause everyone both high up and low lots of problems... I haven't invested much into this world or life so I don't really give a shit what happens either way....
I'll do what I want, if they use it to their advantage then good for them... eventually I'll do something that fuks them over.... regardless I'm going to do what I damn well please... and there's really nothing anyone can do about it, besides killing me...
Back on topic, I was simply pointing out how the protesters tend to be idiots and do stupid shit, whining and bitching solves nothing.... the fukn news vid you posted pretty much sums up what I was trying to say, so I think you're on the same page for the most part.
Like you said best thing is to simply move on and separate yourself from the system, hell start your own if you like, best thing you can do is become self sufficient and live with friends/family in your own little commune if that's what floats your boat.... I think the biggest problem is that people have forgotten that you DON'T have to do what your told, you don't have to live the way everyone else does, you can do whatever the fuk you want. but people don't want to open their minds and think of alternatives... IE they don't want to leave their comfort zones, instead they wanna bitch and whine and hope their masters will listen to them and do everything for them.
I don't understand why all these protesters don't just start their own company and outdo the ones they are complaining about, or better yet START THEIR OWN FUKN SOCIETY! oh but that requires more effort then walking around town like a giant fukn heard holding misspelled signs and chanting kinder garden rhymes...
As far as what I would do if I was gonna "fight teh powa" , well lets just say you nor them would ever see me or know what I have done. this is mostly do to the fact that if I did get involved it would be for my own personal amusement and I only fight for myself.... IE I don't care who wins "the war" both sides are a fukn nuisance in my opinion... There isn't just the good vs the bad, rich vs poor, religious vs atheist, etc etc... the government isn't the only group of people with a fuking agenda... the religious nuts of all kinds each have their own agenda (which from what I've seen seems to all be the same lol except they fight over which god is master of the fukn universe), thees lots of different groups and lots of ignorant peons who have no problem sacrificing their life for one of these groups...
), so I'm taking care of him till he dies... after, depending on whether or not stupid shits on this planet piss me off or leave me alone I may cause everyone both high up and low lots of problems... I haven't invested much into this world or life so I don't really give a shit what happens either way....