what makes me laugh, is how america loves to blare the holocaust and how the jews were persecuted...America must of forgotten how they inslaved africans and killed millions of indians for 300 years....
Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:55 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8624 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Were you there? What percentage of Americans killed Natives? What percentage enslaved blacks? If every white person owned at least one black each, and some owned many; then wouldn't they outnumber whites? Wouldn't they have been able to vote a black into presidency?
Were you there? What percentage of Americans killed Natives? What percentage enslaved blacks? If every white person owned at least one black each, and some owned many; then wouldn't they outnumber whites? Wouldn't they have been able to vote a black into presidency?
I'm curious - and lazy. I haven't read through the whole thread, apologies for that. I wondered if anyone was aware or had mentioned that the "6 million Jews killed" claim was also made after WW1, but it seemed there were no takers at the time.
Austin App. Author of THE SIX MILLION SWINDLE.
Published December 15, 1973.
43 pages
Pages 4-5
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Half Million Survivors of Concentration Camps in Israel
Over and over, we hear Communists, Talmudists and brainwashed liberals declare pontifically that the Nazis had orders to execute all Jews. Yet the same article in the International Tribune (June 11, 1973), which is published by the Jewish New York Times and the Washington Post, goes on to remark, "About 500,000 of Israel's 2.6 million Jews had been in a Nazi concentration camp. But if half a million Jews now in Israel survived Nazi concentration camps, then the Nazis evidently had no orders to "gas" them! Obviously, then, Hitler and the Third Reich had no plan or desire to exterminate all the Jews. They had plenty of time to have executed these 500,000!
Pages 8-9
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Statistics on Jews Who Disappeared in Red-controlled Areas
In "Stalin's Macabre 'Relocation Plan'" (Human Events, Oct. 6, 1973), John Boland cites how the Bolsheviks murdered 4,143 Polish prisoners of war at Katyn and packed another ten thousand in barges and sank them in the White Sea. He then reports!
Now there is evidence that thousands of Soviet Jews were similarly 'eliminated' on orders from Stalin. The exact number cannot be ascertained, because the victims were allegedly loaded in boxcars and rolled over a cliff into Russia's huge Siberian freshwater lake - Lake Baikal...the forcible deportation of all Soviet Jews ro the 'Jewish Soviet Republic' of Birobidjan ended for many of them in being pushed over the cliff into the lake.
In this way, writes Boland, "the jews could be liquidated without the trouble of building crematoria as Hitler did in Germany to solve his 'Jewish problem.'" (Incidentally, it is a defamatory cliche that Hitler built crematoria to dispose of murdered Jews; he built them to dispose of corpses in general, including especially those resulting from Allied air raids!)
Confirming Human Events, Rabbi Benjamin Schultz, chairman of the Jewish League (so Die Welt of Hamburg of September 25, 1954), declared before out Congress that during the Second World War, 3,390,000 Jews on Soviet territory disappeared without a trace. He maintained that this massacre had been purposely kept secret so as not to embarrass the Soviet Union.
German historian Enrich Kern, after research on Rabbi Shultz's startling statement, concludes that, even if this figure is a bit too high:
However, in any case, it is certain that about twice as many Jews were done to death in territory controlled by Soviet Russia than in that controlled by Germans.
(See: Deutsche Wochenzeitung, January 13, 1967)
What can be more to the advantage of the Bolsheviks than to have got rid of a few million troublesome Jews and to waltz the blame off on the Germans! And what could be more to the advantage of Israel and World Jewry than to blame the Germans, who could be blackmailed into astronomical reparations, for the Jews who disappeared in Russia from which absolutely no indemnities could be blackmailed!
Page 14
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Statistics of Jews Spared by the Nazis
Here are some figures of Jews who turned up from German occupied lands after the war. Every one proves that Hitler had not ordered him exterminated. The New York Times (March 26, 1950) reports that in March of that year, 23,000 Jews had left Hungary:
...that 224,000 Jews had emigrated from the 'people's democracies' and from Yugoslavia, leaving 600,000 whom the Israeli government is still eager to have in Palestine.
The Times writes of 150,000 still left in Hungary, of 30,000 having emigrated from Czechoslovakia, leaving 15,000 there; of 30,000 having left Rumania, leaving 380,000 there; of 85,000 having left Poland, "leaving 50,00 registered as members of the Jewish community. It is believed that some thousands of others are unregistered." The Times writes that "...from Bulgaria 42,000 have emigrated, leaving only 4,000 or 5,000; from Yugoslavia 10,000 have emigrated."
Page 14-15
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The Third Reich Had Five Years To "Gas" These Jewish "Refugees" But Didn't.
Had Hitler intended to exterminate all Jews he had five years' time to "gas" all 824,000 Balkan Jews, who, according to the (March 26, 1950) New York Times, "...swarmed into the Western zones of Germany, between 1945 and 1947." And even higher percentages were very much alive in 1945 in France, Belgium, Holland, and Norway. One Rabbi Phillip S. Bernstein, advisor of Jewish affairs to the United States Army commanders in Germany and Austria wrote:
...the only realistic solution to the plight of Europe's 250,000 Jewish refugees in resettlement in the United States and Palestine."
(Washington Post, October 24, 1947)
That may explain why since 1945 New York is a Jewish Sodom and Gomorrah and Washington, D.C., a half Jewish and half Negro employment agency!
...
If the Nazis had intended to kill as many Jews as possible, then not a single one of the 824,000 Balkan and Polish Jews would have been alive by May 1945.
Page 22
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A Priori Case Against Six Million Figure
After I had several times begged Time not to keep repeating the fraudulent six million figure, it answered evasively:
The six million figure which we quoted, as I mentioned in a previous letter, is one that is usually accepted by all government sources, on the basis of a number of affidavits similar to that of Dr. Wilhelm Hoettle (sic) which I quoted to you in my earlier letter.
(July 27, 1949)
The fact that the only evidence Time and Jewish sources can present for the six million figure is an affidavit by Hoettl and some even less authentic ones should alone suffice to discredit the figure...If pressed for evidence, they base themselves on what noe Hoettl said from hearsay about Eichmann, and what similarly one Rudolf Hess thought he remembered Eichmann as saying.
Page 23-24
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What About The Hoettl, Hoess, and Eichmann Testimony?
The only evidence that Talmudists and their stooges ever pretend to offer for the six million figure is what Hoettl and Hoess, under threat of their lives, claimed to have heard Eichmann one time say. Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl was a colonel in the security services, not a very high rank, a subordinate of Eichmann's, who himself said, "I was merely a cog in the machinery." Hoettel himself claims to have been a British agent sometime during the war. The London paper Weekend (January 25, 1963) confirms this. It also reveals that when Hoettl gave his affidavit he had been threatened with delivery to the Hungarian Communists. This must be interpreted as a promise of immunity if he gave sufficient damning testimony against his superior, Eichmann, but hanging if he didn't.
According to the British at Flensburg, he declared he had one time heard Eichmann say that four million Jews died in concentration camps and another two million elsewhere as reprisals and so on. He was then rushed to the Nuremburg Trials, where he dutifully repeated his hearsay. But oddly enough, theough the German attorney for the Defense, one Dr. Kaufmann, repeatedly requested that he be called for cross-examination, the Nuremburg lynchers did not dare expose this key evidence to cross-examination. Again, at the Eichmann trial in Jerusalem the legal lynchers were afraid to expose him to cross-examination. And during the same trial Eichmann insisted that Hoettl had twised his casual remark and that he had in fact never named figures to Hoettel because he could not know such figures. (See: Heinrich Haertl, Freispruch fuer Deutschland, Goettingen, 1965, p. 190-01).
Here in lies the truth of the matter. Neither Eichmann nor Hoettl could know the figures. And Hoettl got immunity for what was almost certainly a perjured affidavit. Yet on it rests almost the whole myth of the six million. The only other testimony advanced is that of Rudolf Hess. He was for awhile commander at Auschwitz. Again, threatened with the noose of he did not incriminate his superiors, he testified at Nuremburg that two and a half million Jews died there. Even Gerald Reitlinger accuses Hoess of "perverse magalomania" for this figure. To show how unreliable poor freightened Hoess had been, when he later was delivered to the Poles he reduced the two and one half million to only 1.13 million. The Poles thereupon irately hanged him! Eichmann himself declared:
Since the war I read that 2,500,000 Jews were physically liquidated under Hoess' command. I find this figure incredible. The capacity of the camp argues against it. Many of the Jews confied there were put to work details and survived. After the war the Auschwitzers sprouted like mushrooms out of the forest floor after a rain. Hundreds of thousands of them are today in the best of health."
(See:Life Magazine, November 28, 1960)
...
To show the guess work and the shameful unreliability involved, Time Magazine (June 6 1960) reported Eichmann said, "Five Million Jews"; the Jewish Newsweek, however (June 6 1960), hiked the figure to "six million Jews." That is how Jewish throw a million Jews around - when it serves their blackmail!
Page 25
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Not Hoettl, Not Hoess, Not Eichmann Could or Did Attest the 6 Million Figure
Essentially, on this off-the-cuff remark of Eichmann's, never properly probed, the whole swindle of the six million rests. Be it noted first that Eichmann said five million, not six; secondly, he referred to "Enemies of the Reich"; not Jews; thirdly, he was at the time talking casually, not professionally, and authoritatively. Furthermore, he said far more officially, "I would like to stress again, however, that my department never gave a single annihilation order. We were responsible only for deportation..." Eichmann ordered no Jews killed, nor anyone else...In short, Eichmann could not in any way know the number of Jewish casualties, and Hoettl and Hoess did not pretend to know but, under extoration to incrinimate Eichmann, attributed conflicting words to him!
Page 25-26
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How Affidavits were Extorted and Perjury Encouraged
Affidavits, like those to which Time refers, are unreliable, often outright frauds, like the figure of six million itself. With a few heroic exceptions, all affidavits by Jews are in part or whole perjured, often well rewarded, and altogether unreliable. Affidavits from Germans, including from former Nazis, were rather customarily obtained by threatening the witness with hanging if he did not incriminate his superior sufficiently for hanging.
After Simon Wiesenthal, one of the best known prosecutors and persecutors of Germans is Dr. Robert Kempner, who seems to exploit dual American and German citizenship...After the war, he turned up as a prosecutor of Germans at Nuremburg, a particularly unscrupulous one, who is still at it. His nasty method of extorting incriminating affidavits against the more important Nazi leaders is illustrated in the case of Dr. Friedrich Gaus, many years a minor official in the German foreign office. Dr. Kempner wanted him to testify falsely in order to get his superior Ribbentrop hanged. When Gaus complained that he could not honestly to testify, Kempner replied:
The Russians are very interested in you, Mr. Gaus! For your violation of International Agreements! The only way for you to save your head, is that you tell the truth. Or do you wish as the right hand of Ribbentrop to go to the gallows? You know the old German saying, 'Captured with him, hanged with him!' Who were after Ribbentrop, the most guilty in the Foreign Office. Just say it; it serves no purpose, to spare these people.
Whereupon the terrified Gaus incriminated Ribbentrop as Kempner wished; - and thereby secured immunity! He was immediatly released from solitary arrest and moved to the witness portion of the Nuremburg court. (See: "U.S. Anklaeger Kempner schwer belasted." Deutsche Wochenzeitung Fed. 23, 1973).
Page 30
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Conclusions of a Jewish Scholar Who Was Persecuted Therefore
In Josef G. Burg's book, Suendenboecke - Scapegoats, he insists that "Endloesung - Final Solution" envisaged the emigration of Jews, not the "total liquidation of all Jews." (p. 74). More impotantly, he investigated the six million statistic thoroughly and honestly. He found it "a legend poisoning peaceful relations." (p. 238). He comes to the conclusion that, even giving atrocity-mongers maximum rather than minimum figures, the highest "number of Jews that died in the control of Hitler were killed, lost their lives, or died could be no more than 3,323,000." (p.237).
Here, an honest Jewish researcher slices almost three million from the six million swindle. And the three million lost include those who died naturally, were killed by Allied air raids, were executed as subversives and partisans, of whom one and a half million were fighting illegally against the Germans (p.238).
*This book sits on my shelf. I chose to reproduce relevant and interesting parts.*
Personally I have no idea if the Holocaust is true. It doesn't even matter. The U.S. parades the holocaust around trying to gain sympathy from the world, and to justify its actions. Another faction that wants power is doing the same thing with the Palestinians. With all the oil wealth held by the governments of the middle east the Palestinians should have a prosperous nation. Iran, Saudi, Jordan, etc. Don't care at all about their situation. They are only useful as propaganda. Look at the poor Palestinians all suffering because of the evil Zionist controlled Americans. B.S. It is just a world wide power struggle. All sides are full of crap. Don't believe anything it is all lies.
Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:21 am
stOneskull
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 820 Location: Australia
how many were killed at dresden?
a lot of the people killed were refugees from russia.
Official Auschwitz figures!
Which figure must we believe by law? Which figure is not considered holocaust denial? Which figure is not considered anti-Semitic? Which figure is not considered hate?
Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:11 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8624 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Thanks kahotep for referencing that thread. I need to know as much disinformant forums as possible. Only this forum mentions zionism. No other forum mentions zionism according to my knowledge (even if they do, it would be little). The Zionists will do anything to establish a super zionist state/new world order world.
Why do I get no sound? Does anyone get sound when they try to watch any of those three parts? I can listen to other things on my computer but not that CBC Zundel stuff. Any possible reason?
Edit: It appears I can't listen to stuff that basically "streams" off on the internet on things like youtube and googlevideo but I can listen to mp3's and that's it. Well, to the repair shop we go.
Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:48 am
xtiml
Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 28 Location: california
holocaust was on germany. the trueth istranger than the lie
about germny. holocoust was typus. no experiments were done like shooting dye into brown eyes. the germans were not sadists. germans had legitamate reasons for emegrating their jews. there were 259 thousand jews in germany at wars end free ones. jews served in german militery with honor, jews who werent tribal but germans first were welcomed but noyt in politics jewsish bankers financed heetler and destroyed him too, germany was the target .germans were civil and had hi character and morals a form of chivalry too.no camps in germany. the final solution was setting up a jewish home land the camps were holding areas until they could get them outta their hair.then everything snowballed outta control when america entered on englands side against our interests which should have ben stopping the bolshies. most of the common hstory of this centuries ww's are lies or omissions or as they say victors write the history. eichman was a good man the ones lying on stand were not. goering wrote a letter to churchill that makes him look bad9churchill) and hess was truly desirous of aviding war with england or stopping it. he was tortured sand isolated the rest of his life. we were murderous to them afetr and during the war. it a mess.and no i not like hitlers ideas on mass direction, anymore than this ones. he makes a good hat rack for all the evils in us all.he knew what the true and real evil was .and it wasnt a buncha poor ass jews from kulkitlan komisor. and it all sucks badly
