16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis
rape the women, not angels
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1 The two angels came to Sodom at evening. Lot sat in the gate of Sodom. Lot saw them, and rose up to meet them. He bowed himself with his face to the earth,
2 and he said, "See now, my lords, please turn aside into your servant's house, stay all night, wash your feet, and you can rise up early, and go on your way." They said, "No, but we will stay in the street all night."
3 He urged them greatly, and they came in with him, and entered into his house. He made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter.
5 They called to Lot, and said to him, "Where are the men who came in to you this night? Bring them out to us, that we may have sex with them."
6 Lot went out to them to the door, and shut the door after him.
7 He said, "Please, my brothers, don't act so wickedly.
8 See now, I have two virgin daughters. Please let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them what seems good to you. Only don't do anything to these men, because they have come under the shadow of my roof."
Genesis
wife is a property
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17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."
exodus
Sex slavery
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7 "If a man sells his daughter to be a female servant, she shall not go out as the male servants do.
8 If she doesn't please her master, who has married her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, seeing he has dealt deceitfully with her.
9 If he marries her to his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marital rights.
11 If he doesn't do these three things for her, she may go free without paying any money.
Exodus
Rape manual
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11 and see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you have a desire to her, and would take her to you as wife;
12 then you shall bring her home to your house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13 and she shall put the clothing of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in your house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that you shall go in to her, and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
14 It shall be, if you have no delight in her, then you shall let her go where she will; but you shall not sell her at all for money, you shall not deal with her as a slave, because you have humbled her.
Deuteronomy
women humiliation
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13 If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and hates her,
14 and accuses her of shameful things, and brings up an evil name on her, and says, "I took this woman, and when I came near to her, I didn't find in her the tokens of virginity;"
15 then shall the father of the young lady, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the young lady's virginity to the elders of the city in the gate;
16 and the young lady's father shall tell the elders, "I gave my daughter to this man to wife, and he hates her;
17 and behold, he has accused her of shameful things, saying,'I didn't find in your daughter the tokens of virginity;' and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity." They shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
18 The elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him;
Deuteronomy
Woman must marry his first one - also if he raped her
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28 If a man find a lady who is a virgin, who is not pledged to be married, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the lady's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has humbled her; he may not put her away all his days.and the man, because he has humbled his neighbor's wife: so you shall put away the evil from the midst of you.
Deuteronomy
If a woman touches foe's penis her hand should be cut
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11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draws near to deliver her husband out of the hand of him who strikes him, and puts forth her hand, and takes him by the secrets;
12 then you shall cut off her hand, your eye shall have no pity.
Deuteronomy
NEW TESTAMENT
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"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."--1 Tim. 2:11-14
woman is second class citizen and must show it accordingly
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But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.
5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonors her head. For it is one and the same thing as if she were shaved. 1Corinthians
women don't have right to interfere in society - they must listen to their husbands
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34 let your wives keep silent in the assemblies, for it has not been permitted for them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as the law also says.
35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is shameful for a woman to chatter in the assembly.
1 Corinthians
All this is good. Women are evil by nature and they need our opression to save them from themselves. They are selfdestructive like a bomb and we must be the barrier to counterreact.
Look what women are doing today , nothing ,they are dirty bitches who sexual intercourse when they want ,you can easily find a 25 year woman who has been with 20 partners or more, with tatoos and piercings ,interesested only in having a good life burning the rest ,I mean you and your family, don't take care about your children or you ,a total dissaster . Why? because we've become weak with the new regime , we fear women now , why? Were your teachers women ? Did you fear them?
They divorce for nothing stealing the family house that your parents built, they want one children just to catch you by law.
They've become totally unstable and crazy for losing their youth. Is your fault of course. You loose your life for nothing in the hands of these snakes .
And all this is because all that you wrote there doesn't exist anymore is totally the opposite and you know that extremes are always bad.
i met a lot of good and a lot of bad women in my life,
same with men
p.s.: what about women like Lorraine Day?
Rachel Corrie?
they have more courage than most of men.
looks like you have some problem with women as many of christians do ))
i guess it's better for you to stay with your faith and degenerate to a level when you screw little boys.
Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:27 am
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daniliver wrote:
All this is good. Women are evil by nature and they need our opression to save them from themselves. They are selfdestructive like a bomb and we must be the barrier to counterreact.
Look what women are doing today , nothing ,they are dirty bitches who sexual intercourse when they want ,you can easily find a 25 year woman who has been with 20 partners or more, with tatoos and piercings ,interesested only in having a good life burning the rest ,I mean you and your family, don't take care about your children or you ,a total dissaster . Why? because we've become weak with the new regime , we fear women now , why? Were your teachers women ? Did you fear them?
They divorce for nothing stealing the family house that your parents built, they want one children just to catch you by law.
They've become totally unstable and crazy for losing their youth. Is your fault of course. You loose your life for nothing in the hands of these snakes .
And all this is because all that you wrote there doesn't exist anymore is totally the opposite and you know that extremes are always bad.
funny all that can be applied to men aswell
humans in general are fvcked up (atleast the majority are)
All this is good. Women are evil by nature and they need our opression to save them from themselves. They are selfdestructive like a bomb and we must be the barrier to counterreact.
Look what women are doing today , nothing ,they are dirty bitches who sexual intercourse when they want ,you can easily find a 25 year woman who has been with 20 partners or more, with tatoos and piercings ,interesested only in having a good life burning the rest ,I mean you and your family, don't take care about your children or you ,a total dissaster . Why? because we've become weak with the new regime , we fear women now , why? Were your teachers women ? Did you fear them?
They divorce for nothing stealing the family house that your parents built, they want one children just to catch you by law.
They've become totally unstable and crazy for losing their youth. Is your fault of course. You loose your life for nothing in the hands of these snakes .
And all this is because all that you wrote there doesn't exist anymore is totally the opposite and you know that extremes are always bad.
My girlfriend is really very nice, she'll struggle to steal my house because it's her house. I don't have a house. I think maybe you've had some traumatic events happen to you that you blame on women, (maybe you were scared of your teachers?) you need to get over it though. Stop being scared and go speak to some. Sure some of them will be idiots (but that's equally true of men!)
by the way the most recent 911 NON-DECEPTIVE video was done by a woman.
that woman borrowed money on her house in order to make it.
Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:32 am
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Look what women are doing today , nothing ,they are dirty bitches who sexual intercourse when they want
LOL Wow.
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Rachel Corrie?
Thats just stupid, standing next to a freakin armored tank is stupid. Whether they killed her or NOT.
What about the woman that have the courage to work two jobs to take care of their children for the stupid idiots that left them because they couldnt hang? Now THAT is courage, they could have easily left too.
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Benjamin Freedman wrote:
it wasn't armored tank
it was bulldozer
either way its a bad idea to stand in front of it...
if u want them to stop that bad climb up the side and pull the driver out... helps to have backup in the form of a group of ppl who will help u should things go wrong...
isnt this all kinda OT?
Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:32 am
Opiate
Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location: False Apostle Rebuttal below::READ IT
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it wasn't armored tank
it was bulldozer
Ok, thanks for the correction. Point still stands though, it wasnt even a regular bulldozer either.
Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:43 pm
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They need more Juba's picking off those bulldozer drivers.
Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:49 pm
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ok here is why at least some of those quotes are taken out of context and are an attempt to discredit the bible.
1. this first quote is taken from genesis which is telling men and women what they will have to face now they have chosen to reject God, mens punishment was just as bad but of course that part has been conviniently left out. what matters here is that this is God saying everything could have been perefect but you humans messed it up so now you have to take the consequences. whether you agree with that or not, it is not a sexist or oppresive comment.
2. this second quote is taken out of a story which explains why those people who wanted to rape everyone were destroyed by God because they were so evil. It does not condone the action taken by the character in the story thats just what happens there is nothing wrong with telling a story.
3. Ok that thrid one is suggesting that wives are property yes but what you are forgeting is that this is still telling someone to treat other peoples wives properly and not want them for yourself, someone who is married will know that they dont want other men constantly trying to sleep with their wives and wives dont want other men always trying to sleep with them (usualy!).
4 this doesnt even resemble sex slavery whoever said that has no idea of the culture these laws are being told to. Why would a man sell his daughter to be a female servant? because it was that or starve for both of them usualy, the daughter gets a better life as a servent where at least she will have what she needs. also what this verse is saying is that women servents have rights even if they have had to sell themselves to you because they have no other choice, but there rights must stil; be respected. if he doesnt treat her properly he must let her go and if he marries her or his son marries her she must be treated properly.
5 this seems a little strange in our culture but this is in no way a rape manual, at worst it is a forced marrige manual but again the verse says you cant treat her as a slave and if the two of you arent getting on then you must let her go.
6 so in this one a man is told that if he acuses a woman of something she hasnt done then he will be punished, that was the law back then in someone breaks the law today do they give evidence? of course they do!
7ok I dont think I even understand that one properly but it seems to say rapists got fined, you are also forgeting in those days women wanted to marry unmarried women could sometimes become outcasts so forcing a man to marry this woman and bring up the child if she was pregnat was seen as him doing her a favour.
8. if a women grabed hold of you there you might want to cut her hand off! thats a joke of course but that was the punishment, if you cant do the time dont do the crime!
9 there are two things to consider here first this was probably wrriten as insturctions to women in one specific church where they may have been experiancing problems with certain women as the rest of the letter this is taken from suggests. but also it hilights that god made men and women for different roles men are often good leaders but women have other roles which are just as valuable like being more caring and others.
10. this is a passage about men being the heads of their household if thats the way it is then thats the way it is, I dont see a problem with this its not saying they are not equal but that they are different and that has been forgoten in out culture and there have been consequences of this.
11 this one is defnaitely to an individual church where most likely women who in most other religions had no part in the assembely were now participating but they hadnt realy got used to the way these things are done and talked through the whole thing so theyre being told to keep quiet. or so it would seem to me
to me all this stuff was obvious and it is important to hear both sides of every story. it is east to take something out of context in a quote and make it look like it says something it is not saying, its a clasic trick but dont fall for it!
Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:14 pm
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whether you agree with that or not, it is not a sexist or oppresive comment.
There is a clear distinction between the punishment for man and women clearly making it sexist. Wether it's fair or not; it's still oppressive.
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3. Ok that thrid one is suggesting that wives are property yes but what you are forgeting is that this is still telling someone to treat other peoples wives properly and not want them for yourself, someone who is married will know that they dont want other men constantly trying to sleep with their wives and wives dont want other men always trying to sleep with them (usualy!).
So it's really about what the men want and the women's feelings on this can be disregarded.
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4 this doesnt even resemble sex slavery whoever said that has no idea of the culture these laws are being told to. Why would a man sell his daughter to be a female servant?
So you would say that God chose a bad people for his chosen, or does he not lay down the foundation for sex slavery thus making it ok in God's eyes?
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5 this seems a little strange in our culture but this is in no way a rape manual, at worst it is a forced marrige manual but again the verse says you cant treat her as a slave and if the two of you arent getting on then you must let her go.
So if they're FORCED into marriage and FORCED to have sex; it isn't rape?
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7ok I dont think I even understand that one properly but it seems to say rapists got fined, you are also forgeting in those days women wanted to marry unmarried women could sometimes become outcasts so forcing a man to marry this woman and bring up the child if she was pregnat was seen as him doing her a favour.
You give men a bad name with this assertion.
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9 there are two things to consider here first this was probably wrriten as insturctions to women in one specific church where they may have been experiancing problems with certain women as the rest of the letter this is taken from suggests. but also it hilights that god made men and women for different roles men are often good leaders but women have other roles which are just as valuable like being more caring and others.
With terms like "may", and "probably" it sounds like you are taking things out of context. If the Bible is a handbook, and good for all times; then why are we making excuses for it?
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10. this is a passage about men being the heads of their household if thats the way it is then thats the way it is, I dont see a problem with this its not saying they are not equal but that they are different and that has been forgoten in out culture and there have been consequences of this.
Keep going with your sexist self! No wonder you're attempting to defend the Bible!
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11 this one is defnaitely to an individual church where most likely women who in most other religions had no part in the assembely were now participating but they hadnt realy got used to the way these things are done and talked through the whole thing so theyre being told to keep quiet. or so it would seem to me
With this kind of reasoning; we could throw the whole Bible out the window. What good is it to us anyway?
Why are people always looking for excuses for this book?
Woman is a property, a slave, a second class citizen in Bible.
Now - i challenge everyone who subscribes to this -
since Bible claims that men are better,
do you do better than for example that woman Sofia who made 911 Mysteries and borrowed money on her house to make it?
I see a lot of women BETTER than a MOST of men.
Bible is WRONG and this is perfect example.
Also perfect example of ignorance.
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Wow.
Thats just stupid, standing next to a freakin armored tank is stupid. Whether they killed her or NOT.