sure man,
he called us "puppy"
and jews he called Children of Israel.
"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."
Jesus Christ, Matt 15:24
Opiate wrote:
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Where did Jesus murder a person? In fact where did he do any harm to anyone anywhere in his life?
Joozuz advocated torture:
Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Joozuz advocated murder:
Lk 19:27 "... those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. "
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Those citations, assertions, posts, whatever you want to call what you just posted have already been addressed. And yet, you ignore my points and attempt to bring up new ones. As regards the Scriptures you quoted last in RESPONSE to my question 'when did Jesus harm anyone in his life' is a desperate attempt there. That is discussing future events and talking about men, such as bad shepherds and/or wicked men in general. What? Are you saying the Son of God cannot have authority to do away with those that are making this earth evil? The men you yourself say you hate? Yes, those very Jews you despise that support Zionism? Those very men that supported Nazism? Those very men that supported all forms of war and murder against the innocent? He cannot pay them back the blood shed they have poured out? If you are looking for a God that is warm and fuzzy that paints rainbows for fun while froliking in the daisies you have the wrong idea of God. Sure he can be that sort of person, but he can also be a decisive person, just like you can if someone were to harm someone you yourself love. God isn't going to standby and just watch his wonderful creations become mire just because of men's greed over power and mere land. There is going to be consenquences wether you like it or not.
"Joozuz"
"diddja geddit???"
Nice to see you turning to mere gibberish, isn't that a form of disinformation?
- as madthumbs said same lame arguments can be used to defend Talmud.
You answer one thing by quoting some completely irrelevant other part of bible.
Oh, Jesus he didnt ment bad by promoting torture, cuz in other part of book he gave food to poor!
Arguments like "oh he called us puppies" are totally IDIOTIC.
What does it matter - he called NONJEWS as SUBHUMANS,
he refused to heal that woman at first.
You give no answer to that - you say he calls us "puppies".
If puppy is not gonna beg on its knees i will let puppy die.
Yay!
Biblical Jesus came to fulfill the genocidal LAW from OT and he came for jews only as is explicitely stated in first book of NT.
Jesus has a message for all "puppies" out there -
"i came for children of israel,
not for you puppies!"
I'm not denying that the bible may have some questionable verses, but some of these are quite a stretch when the thread is about "racism" or supposed hateful statements / actions by Jesus.
I can read these over and I have a hard time picking out the racism you're trying to expose here. If it's not immediately obvious then couldn't it be considered a matter of individual interpretation?
In addition YES there are certainly many, many ignorant Christians and in fact the word Christian is probably not even the proper term. There are many versions of Christianity and most are just using the bible for their own selfish purposes. Most of the churches are corrupt and it's obvious.
Why don't we instead take a look at where the power is? If you can prove to me that Chrisitians are the ones controlling the media, banks, government, etc. then I'll take your quotes a little more seriously.
I can't say with any confidence that Christianity is a hate filled, racist religion as you're trying to prove here.
xianity is a tool of judaism and
is offspring of judaism.
Ever heard about Dead Sea Scrolls?
Israeli government refuses to make them available to read to non-jewish historians.
What about the statement from their boss who spend years studying them and then came public?
"Judaism is a horrible religion with racist origins that in principle should not exist at all"
John Strugnell
Chief editor of Dead Sea Scrolls
quoted from Time Magazine January 14th 1991.
it's a statement about ORIGINS.
When did Jesus deny the Law from OT?
When did he deny genocidal YHWH?
He praised the Law and praised YHWH - he told he is his SON.
Sadly this thread ended again completely off topic,
cuz it was about very insulting statement towards jews.
Only primitives can blame actions of somebody's ancestors on them.
Imagine you having 20 generations ago a murderer in your family.
And now somebody is reminding it to you and moreover associating YOU with it.
I am referring to this statement
"christ killing bastards".
Yes this thread did get off topic. You're right though and that statement should not have been used as justification for anything. I supposed Christians could have the right to be upset, but then it isn't a very "Christian" thing to label them all bastards. The majority of Christians need to stop being so ignorant in regards to their support of Judaism/Israel, but this statement went a little too far.
Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:46 am
Opiate
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There are many versions of Christianity and most are just using the bible for their own selfish purposes. Most of the churches are corrupt and it's obvious.
That is very true and I do not deny it nor ever have. However, the true Christianity lies in the Scriptures.
Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:01 pm
Opiate
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Benjamin Freedman wrote:
xianity is a tool of judaism and
is offspring of judaism.
Ever heard about Dead Sea Scrolls?
Israeli government refuses to make them available to read to non-jewish historians.
They were made available in Sept. of 1991 (or 1992 not quite sure) to a larger group of scholars including non catholics and Jews, since previously, they were mostly catholic Christians that had access to them. Scholars found no secret scheme as people were theorizing previously, so this old bell is just that, an old bell already. It just sounds like you are parroting the wonderful and insightful Jorden Maxwell, the same person that thinks the 13 stars on the dollar bill stand for the star of David. Perhaps he forgot that the US started with 13 colonies. LOL
What about the statement from their boss who spend years studying them and then came public?
"Judaism is a horrible religion with racist origins that in principle should not exist at all"
John Strugnell
Chief editor of Dead Sea Scrolls
quoted from Time Magazine January 14th 1991.
So what? He isn't the first to say such a thing about Judaism. Its his own opinion. Many of the scholars that worked with him disagreed with him obviously. Another thing to consider is the fact that the dead sea scrolls was not just the Bible as many think, but also a library of OTHER documents and non biblical writings--no doubt it is very likely John Strugnell would have referred to those documents since the Bible was nothing new for the past 2,000 years.
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Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:14 pm
Opiate
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sure addressed rofl
no answers, you give us excuses
And you just ignore everything and sing the same song and dance. But I guess thats ok since I don't agree with you.
- as madthumbs said same lame arguments can be used to defend Talmud.
Not true, because even though I don't care, I cannot see how i could defend the Talmud:lol:
You answer one thing by quoting some completely irrelevant other part of bible.
I already DID address THAT implication, Mr. Strawman. I raise a point regarding SAME situations and you ignore it or say garbage like that over and over.
Oh, Jesus he didnt ment bad by promoting torture, cuz in other part of book he gave food to poor!
Again, Mr. Strawman. Show me where I did not address your "torture" and "murder" scriptures you quoted? But go on, ignore all my questions in the past what...five posts? I dont mind, dont answer them, its a public forum, Im sure people can see how you dodge everything.
Arguments like "oh he called us puppies" are totally IDIOTIC.
What does it matter - he called NONJEWS as SUBHUMANS,
he refused to heal that woman at first.
Why you keep ignoring my questions? why you keep ignoring simple reasoning? I DID write something didn't I? *checks* Yep, sure did. You paint it as if all I did was say, "he called us puppies, its ok then." Strawman.
You give no answer to that - you say he calls us "puppies".
^See what I mean? Create a situation that doesn't exist.
If puppy is not gonna beg on its knees i will let puppy die.
Yay!
^Disinfo Nothing to do with the discussion, just a mockery.
Biblical Jesus came to fulfill the genocidal LAW from OT and he came for jews only as is explicitely stated in first book of NT.
You know, if the Scripture that you cite were the only ones that existed, then YES, absolutely, I would agree. However I've cited Scripture to show your contradictions and you act like they dont exist. And if you do realize they exist, you'd rather not look into them and as why, instead you'd rather sit and repeat the same argument over and over.
Jesus has a message for all "puppies" out there -
"i came for children of israel,
not for you puppies!"
No, that is the messege YOU are preaching, and the only one in fact. I well know this is what happens when someone has nothing to say, at least nothing objective, comments turn to mere babble.
"all ashkenazis are evil" There is lot of truth in many of these things,
what xians are doing is they TAKE EVERYTHING TO THE EXTREME and thereby ruin everything.
They ignore it when EXPERIENCE NEGATES their views
"women are less than men"
"abortion has to be forbidden in ANY CASE"
"science is absolutely evil, satan's work"
"gays are evil"
Religion is evil
Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:35 pm
Opiate
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Guys you are making this out to be a Rosa Parks, Rodney King type of incident when it is clearly not. Dogs and sheep are both animals, so if you want to claim Jesus dehumanised Gentiles by referring to them as dogs you must also acknowledge He did the same to Jews by referring them as sheep. To really prove your case you will have to show from Ancient Greek writings that to call someone a ‘pet dog’ was as insulting as calling a black person a ‘monkey’ would be today.
It was fitting that Jesus should first minister to the Jews, as they were the first-born people of God’s family but also it was not fitting for Jesus to neglect the Gentiles altogether lest they be deprived of the hope of salvation. For this reason certain individual Gentiles such as this Canaanite woman were ministered to by Jesus because of their great faith and devotion.
It was for reasons other than racism that Jesus gave preference to the Jews which is what the remainder of this post tries to demonstrate.
First, in order to show that by His coming the promises were fulfilled which had been made to the Jews of old, and not to the Gentiles.
St Paul "I say that Christ . . . was minister of the circumcision," i.e. the apostle and preacher of the Jews, "for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers." [Romans 10:15]
Second, The God of the Bible is a God of order.
"Those things which are of God are well ordered” [Romans 13.1]
The paradigm for gospel preaching was first, Jerusalem, second Judea, third Samaria, fourthly the Gentiles. So it was right that Jesus first taught to the Jews, who, by believing in and worshiping one God, were nearer to God, and then in turn the Jews were sent to instruct the Gentiles as foretold
"I will send of them that shall be saved," i.e. of the Jews, "to the Gentiles . . . and they shall declare My glory unto the Gentiles." [Isaiah 66:19]
Jesus could have chosen to live for longer and travel to all the different nations Himself, but by passing on to the disciples His power that they converted the Gentiles to Christ, even though they had not seen or heard of Jesus, this was a greater demonstration of His Divine power, that Jesus could achieve his objectives using other people.
Also by preaching to the Jews first, it left the Jews no possible excuse for reject Jesus as the Messiah promised to the Jews which would have been the case if Jesus because had sent Himself or His apostles to the Gentiles and Samaritans first.
Lastly, it was through the triumph of the cross that Christ merited power and lordship over the Gentiles. Consequently He did not wish His doctrine to be preached to the Gentiles before His Passion. Jesus said: "Unless the grain of wheat falling into the ground dies, itself remains alone but if it die it brings forth much fruit" [John 12:20-25]. The death of Jesus due to the unbelief of the Jews was the means Jesus chose to bring the Gentiles into God's family.
"He that shall overcome . . . I will give him power over the nations . . . as I also have received of My Father"; [Apocalypse 2:26:28]
and that because He became "obedient unto the death of the cross, God has exalted Him . . . that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow . . ." and that "every tongue should confess Him" [Philippians 2:8-11]
When the time was right after His Passion and Resurrection, Jesus then said to His disciples "Going, teach ye all the nations." [Matthew 28:19].
Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:42 am
Opiate
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Jimmy,
similar points were already raised. They were just ignored so there isn't a point. *shrugs*
But go on, ignore all my questions in the past what...five posts? I dont mind, dont answer them, its a public forum, Im sure people can see how you dodge everything.