Exodus 32:24-27 24 And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf. 25 And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies:) 26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. 27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Has Satan done a worse atrocity in the Bible?
Moses said this though not God/Jesus. Like I said maybe parts have been changed. My argument is not that their is NO questionable material in the bible.
Indeed you are right...the Bible just does'nt add up.
So, now we've got that out of the way...I was wondering what you and BF would be replacing the Judeo/Christian value system with? You know the one that underpins the economic, political and judicial systems that enable you to write what you want on the web. The one that allows for individual rights before God ABOVE the State? The one that underpins a "Republic" or limited democracy?
I hear "Secular Humanism" aint bad. Ya know...the U.N rights of the...blah, blah, blah...oh! An invention of Athiestic Jews! Well...that ones out. It's also vulnerable to being re written on a whim by trillionair jewish bankers so we better be careful.
Hmmmmm, how about a ancient Greek democracy! Well, maybe not. Just ask Socrates.
How about ancient Rome and their wonderful Greek Pantheon based entourage? I hear Rome was lovely to the Barbarians as it marched over most of the known world?
How about the timeless European pagan gods! Like Wotan! God of war and LOVED by those super friendly Nordic Vikings who were known to drop in for tea and biscuits in England at the drop of a hat...
Again...which "value system" will you be using to underpin your "Ickian" utopia? What sociatal structures will exist to ensure order and prevent tyranny? What underpinning of "common law" will keep the shape shifting lizards out?
Do you even realise the scope of the idiocy you sprout?
You remind me of two teenage adolescants claiming extreme brutality and fascistic parenting because you ar'nt allowed out late...you then pick apart your parents who have nurtured you since birth and plot to kill them. You claim the boat you're in is useless because it's the wrong colour and suggest sinking it to your friends till a better one comes along...hop to it then.
Aries generally has been figured as reclining with reverted head admiring his own Golden Fleece (see picture above)
Ptolemy's observations are as follows;
"The stars in the head of Aries possess an influence similar in its effect to that of Mars and Saturn;
those in the mouth act similarly to Mercury and to some degree Saturn;
those in the hind foot, to Mars and those in the tail to Venus".
By the Kabalists Aries is associated with the Hebrew letter He and the 5th Tarot Trump "The Pope".
Aries, the Ram symbolizes the Vernal Equinox, dawn, the spring, and the beginning of life, the masculine generative force, impulsion.
On a cosmic level Aries is the primordial impulsion which comes before the 'Dawning Brahman' or the birth of the universe.
he Egyptian Sun-god Ra is called 'Ra...thou ram, mightiest of created things'.
Ammon Ra - the God of Fertility and Creative Life - was depicted with the body of a man and the head of a ram.
The Greeks associated Aries with Phrixus,
the hero-son of Athamas, who fled on the back of this Ram with his sister Helle to Colchis
to escape the wrath of his stepmother Ino.
Helle became giddy and fell off the Ram into the sea when she disobeyed a warning not to look down,
the place thereafter became the Hellespont, which today seperates Greece and Turkey.
Manilius wrote: "First Golden Aries shines who whilst he swam Lost part of's Freight, and gave the Sea a name"
(the loss of Helle may be symbolic of the lack of the feminine element in the Arian psyche).
Ovid wrote, "The Ram that bore unsafely the burden of Helle".
On reaching his journey's end, Phrixus sacrificed the ram and hung its fleece in the Grove of Ares,
where it was turned to gold and became the object of the Argonauts' (Argo) quest..
The Jewish Nisan, our March-April, was associated with Aries,
Josephus said that it was when the Sun was here in this month that his people were released from the bondage of Egypt;
and so was the same month Nisanu of Assyria, where Aries represented the Altar and the Sacrifice, when a ram was sacrificed.
Hence the prominence given to this sign in antiquity even before its stars became the leaders of the rest;
there was an ancient belief that the earth was created when the Sun was within its boundaries when the seven planets;
Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn
were in conjunction in Aries and foretold the destruction of the world when they should be in the same position in the last degrees of Pisces.
The Hebrews knew it as Tell or Taleh, and inscribed it on the banners of Gad or Naphtali;
the Syrians, as Amru or Emru; the Persians, as Barn, Bere, or Berre; the Turks, as Kuzi;
and in the Parsi Bundehesh it was Varak: all these being synonymous with Aries.
An Arabian commentator on Ulug Beg called the constellation Al Kabsh al Alif, the Tame Ram;
but the Arabs generally knew it as Al Ramal, the Sheep.
The Ram-horned gods of Celtic myth were associated with fertility but, also had death connotations; the ram was an attribute of war gods.
michelangelo's moses:
Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:18 am
alexclaton
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 817 Location: Hell on earth
Re: MADTHUMBS and BF...Bible Scholars...
DonnieDarko wrote:
Indeed you are right...the Bible just does'nt add up.
So, now we've got that out of the way...I was wondering what you and BF would be replacing the Judeo/Christian value system with? You know the one that underpins the economic, political and judicial systems that enable you to write what you want on the web. The one that allows for individual rights before God ABOVE the State? The one that underpins a "Republic" or limited democracy?
I hear "Secular Humanism" aint bad. Ya know...the U.N rights of the...blah, blah, blah...oh! An invention of Athiestic Jews! Well...that ones out. It's also vulnerable to being re written on a whim by trillionair jewish bankers so we better be careful.
Hmmmmm, how about a ancient Greek democracy! Well, maybe not. Just ask Socrates.
How about ancient Rome and their wonderful Greek Pantheon based entourage? I hear Rome was lovely to the Barbarians as it marched over most of the known world?
How about the timeless European pagan gods! Like Wotan! God of war and LOVED by those super friendly Nordic Vikings who were known to drop in for tea and biscuits in England at the drop of a hat...
Again...which "value system" will you be using to underpin your "Ickian" utopia? What sociatal structures will exist to ensure order and prevent tyranny? What underpinning of "common law" will keep the shape shifting lizards out?
Do you even realise the scope of the idiocy you sprout?
You remind me of two teenage adolescants claiming extreme brutality and fascistic parenting because you ar'nt allowed out late...you then pick apart your parents who have nurtured you since birth and plot to kill them. You claim the boat you're in is useless because it's the wrong colour and suggest sinking it to your friends till a better one comes along...hop to it then.
since all the shit thats there doesnt work that well u really cant talk
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What sociatal structures will exist to ensure order and prevent tyranny?
NONE! thats why we still have tyrants, both big and small running a fvcking muck across the planet...
theyve turned america into an empire, and are running it into the ground by fighting everyone who resists their tyranny...
christians are fvckin dumbshits supporting asshole zionists just so they can tell ppl their bullshit prophecy came true...
fvckin dumbshit humans are responsible for all the problems on the planet... until they take responsibilty for their actions and learn to solve their problems without relying on or blaming imaginary beings... NOTHING WILL CHANGE!!!
Exodus 32:24-27 24 And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf. 25 And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies:) 26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. 27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Has Satan done a worse atrocity in the Bible?
Yes, Satan has. By tempting Adam and Eve into rebellion against God, Satan robbed the whole of mankind of eternal life with God.
But God took pity on Adam and Eve and promised to send a woman and her seed would crush the devil.
God chose the Israelites for two tasks
First, to keep the knowledge and worship of the one true God alive amongst all the false idol worship and black magic practices of the surrounding tribes. To keep the commandments of God, which Jesus summarised as to love God first, and second to love your neighbour as yourself.
Second, in the fullness of time, to receive the Promised One who was to come to earth to save not just the children of Israel from the power of Satan but the whole human race, and to proclaim the Promised One to all the world.
Moses knew what was at stake when he saw the Israelites worshipping the golden calf - if Moses had allowed the idolatory to continue, the Israelites would lose forever the friendship with their Creator and give God no choice but to abandon all future generations of mankind forever or destroy the whole world completely.
In killing the Golden Calf worshippers, Moses was acting like a physician who amputates a limb in order to save the whole body. Capital punishment can be justified, if it is carried out by those who have authority in the community and if it is done for common good of the whole community.
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i really don't care if people want to worship idols,
or carve out idols..
as long as they aren't hurting anyone.
a lot of buddhists and hindus who pray and light incense etc at idols,
are really good people.. and wouldn't advocate going and destroying a town
or people because of the god they believe in.
"moses" was a war mongerer.
GEMINI into TAURUS (adam/eve the twins to horus the bull)
TAURUS into ARIES (horus (egypt) to the ram (moses))
ARIES into PISCES (into jesus the fish)
PISCES into AQUARIUS (to aquarius the age of zeus the pedophile's victim, ganymede)
Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:07 am
Opiate
Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location: False Apostle Rebuttal below::READ IT
Hmm,
One thing that surely doesn't make sense to me is that it is claimed that Christians are racist. Even when I was not one, I was never racist, not even now that I am one. I know of MANY more that are not racist either. However I HAVE met many that are not religious that ARE racist! My uncle for one, he is exactly that. He hates the Bible, and religion, and he is still one racist mofo LOL. I have not met one, but I am sure that, some Christians may be racist but that is stirred by other things, not the Scriptures, that shouldn't be the way among them according to who they claim to believe in, Christ. Christ showed favor to all races, especially after his murder by Jews by the assistance of Rome. Yet many Romans and Jews still became Christians and were welcomed. Go figure.
Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:50 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8624 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Opiate wrote:
One thing that surely doesn't make sense to me is that it is claimed that Christians are racist.
We established that they are; where have you been?
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However I HAVE met many that are not religious that ARE racist!
Macro-Evolution supports racism also.
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Christ showed favor to all races, especially after his murder by Jews by the assistance of Rome.
Where are you getting this from? What is your reference?
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Yet many Romans and Jews still became Christians and were welcomed.
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madthumbs wrote:
Opiate wrote:
One thing that surely doesn't make sense to me is that it is claimed that Christians are racist.
We established that they are; where have you been?
That is your proof? ...ok
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However I HAVE met many that are not religious that ARE racist!
Macro-Evolution supports racism also.
That's nice. Magnifies my point.
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Christ showed favor to all races, especially after his murder by Jews by the assistance of Rome.
Where are you getting this from? What is your reference?
The Scriptures, many of them were already quoted on other posts, you don't seem to read them though. Also, more proof, the "holy spirit" was poured on non-Jews as well, which was sent by Christ himself. Was not Peter, Paul, James and the rest of them debating on what this meant? Did they no conclude that the 'spirit was not making an distinction between Jew or gentile'? Do we just dismiss statements like that then?
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Yet many Romans and Jews still became Christians and were welcomed.
Proof?
Acts 10, italian man. (he being an Italian, thus GENTILE, NON JEW.) then Acts 10:18, "God has granted repentance...to the people of [b]the nations also. What about the Roman soldier that asked Jesus to cure his child? Jesus did, why? Faith. He believed in Christ. What of Mark 15:39? The Roman soldier eventually believed he was really the Christ. What about ALL the Jews that converted to Christianity? The Greek Scriptures alone are a testimony to that. Saul who approved killing Christians, converted too, and was well accepted. And yet all of this not proof enough?[/b]
Can you validate any statements made here?
I just did.
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Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:20 pm
Opiate
Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 243 Location: False Apostle Rebuttal below::READ IT
Benjamin Freedman wrote:
belief in jews being chosen people is racist.
like those 144000 virgin ones in revelation.
That is a fair argument Ben. But keep in mind in the begining of the book it states it is full of symbols. Jeremiah, Isaiah, Zechariah and many more books including Paul himself shows it was a spiritual "Israel" involving all nations, not just Jews. thus, we have to accept that it was a symbolic scripture. As Paul put it (a former Jew himself) "a Jew in the inside." This next quote makes it more clear:
(Romans 9:6) . . .For not all who [spring] from Israel are really “Israel.”
That is a fair argument Ben. But keep in mind in the begining of the book it states it is full of symbols. Jeremiah, Isaiah, Zechariah and many more books including Paul himself shows it was a spiritual "Israel" involving all nations, not just Jews. thus, we have to accept that it was a symbolic scripture. As Paul put it (a former Jew himself) "a Jew in the inside." This next quote makes it more clear:
(Romans 9:6) . . .For not all who [spring] from Israel are really “Israel.”
Now according to you it is "spiritual" Israel.
let's look what stays in revelation whether it is spiritual or racial
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Revelation
7:4 I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:
7:5 of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand, of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
7:6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
7:7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
7:8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
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Now according to you it is "spiritual" Israel.
No, are you blind? According to what I've already quoted. Read the prophets. Read Paul, Peter as well, theyve all alluded to it, or made it plain as day. God himself said in Hosea "those not "my people" I will call my people."
You've totally ignored the point on symbolic speech which Revelation itself claimed. Are you blind? So then are we to also believe that dragons, 7 headed serpents, 10 headed wild beasts are real too then? I guess so since we are to take the symbolism as literal now, even though Revelation says otherwise.
Here is another comment by Jesus himself:
(Matthew 21:43) 43 This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits.
He told this to THE JEWS. Their kingdom was taken away and given to someone bearing the fruits. THUS, the "kings and priests" of the 144,000 are not JUST to Jews, ALL nations.
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you are delusional.
Interesting comment. Yet MANY people, in fact the MAJORITY of mankind think "kids on the internet" cooking up "conspiracies" are "delusional. Nice. Yet does that always make them right? But that's ok, we've already determined you are blind.
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But that's ok, we've already determined you are