Boink women as often as you like (regardless of their wishes):
2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).
Women punished for sins of husband:
37:22 (And it is said unto the angels): Assemble those who did wrong, together with their wives and what they used to worship
Don't rape angels; here are my daughters instead:
11:78 And his people came unto him, running towards him - and before then they used to commit abominations - He said: O my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you. Beware of Allah, and degrade me not in (the person of) my guests. Is there not among you any upright man ?
No need to be chaste with wives or slave girls:
70:29 And those who preserve their chastity You don't have to be chaste around your wives or your slave girls.
70:30 Save with their wives and those whom their right hands possess, for thus they are not blameworthy;
Sex slavery of women
23:6 Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,
Cover thyself:
24:31 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.
Beware of women, they are enemies!:
64:14 O ye who believe! Lo! among your wives and your children there are enemies for you, therefor beware of them. And if ye efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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As for the first verse you talk about, you are quoting a translation. The word 'tilth' used is an interpretation of an Arabic word which has multiple meanings and nuances - such as providence, fertility, life-force, etc. Men, I presume from this verse, are the guardians and protectors of the earth's fertility.
A good analogy is that of the relationship between a man and a crop of fruit tree's. He can go and rip his crop apart, abuse it, pollute it, preventing it from growing, keep it for himself, etc - but ultimately he depends on the crop for his survival and the maintenance of his very existence, and eventually his body will rot into the earth and the fruit-trees will survive long after his remains have disintegrated (just as it existed before he came to the earth). He may plant seeds in the earth, but even his own seeds depend on their survival from the feminine waters that sustain him - and thus they are bestowed upon him like seeds are bestowed upon a farmer; i.e. he didn't originally make them.
Men are to look after the earth, but ultimately, it is leased to them and will decompose them. We own nothing, not even our own bodies - the only thing we own are the nobility of our actions and our intentions in preserving the consciousness of truth.
I think this is the real meaning in that verse. As for the rest of the quotes, I think many Muslims would disagree with you; particularly when the verses are in the context of the time and that these slave-girls were slaves of war. Slavery was soon abolished by the Muslims later on, altho after the prophet died - some of the patriarchal practices crept back in (but not to the same extent, i.e. they were no longer burying female babies).
There is a lot of truth in Sufism, which is the spiritual aspect of Islam. Although I am not a Sufi myself, I find a lot of truths deep within it, such as this: -
“Woman is a beam of the divine Light.
She is not the being whom sensual desires takes as its object.
She is Creator, it should be said.
She is not a creature.”
Jelaluddin Rumi
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The muslims should honor the women, hence their religion centers on the profet. The person bringing the light, the sun.
That person is Venus and venus has almost always been seen female.
Christians call Venus the lightbringer for Lusifer and pretending it is male.
Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:21 am
PersianKnight
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Somewhere safe
wanker wrote:
The muslims should honor the women, hence their religion centers on the profet. The person bringing the light, the sun.
That person is Venus and venus has almost always been seen female.
Christians call Venus the lightbringer for Lusifer and pretending it is male.
In some quarters of Sufism, women are honored and treated with great spiritual respect. They regard women as the unmanifest, the BEYOND-BEING, the blackness that births the light. and not just some earthly soil which lies willingly waiting to be f*cked.
This is why a lot of so-called Muslims attack me when I expose them and their leaders for taking the Koran literally or interpreting the (highly contextual and AMBIGUOUS) Arabic meanings for their own patriarchal ends.
It's their loss - yang cannot survive without ying; because ying is unchanging stillness. They need to learn that, and fast - otherwise the world will continue to suffer from excessive Yang energy burning itself out.
BTW - Why do you name yourself 'wanker'. Do you know that that word is an insult in English? It means somebody who masturbates a lot. Lol.
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Most religions veiw women as slaves of men. Nothing is sacred, everything is profane.
Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:46 pm
PersianKnight
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Somewhere safe
Dirt Poor wrote:
Most religions veiw women as slaves of men. Nothing is sacred, everything is profane.
Not just some religions tho. Look at our society, materialist, atheist, agnostic - and they still treat women like crap. Women's lib was an attempt to make women 'free' from patriarchal bonds, unfortunately it emphasised that women act like men or what they perceived to be the opposite of their former oppressed state. Women and men are utterly different, it's what makes the world go round. She, in her natural state, is not dependant on him - although she is the passive principle, it is he who must act , fight off invaders, build houses, hunt, engage in vigorous physical activity, etc. She waits, unchanging and always offering love - he serves her and protects her, and she gives him strength and purpose in a cruel and ever-changing world.
Most religions veiw women as slaves of men. Nothing is sacred, everything is profane.
Not just some religions tho. Look at our society, materialist, atheist, agnostic - and they still treat women like crap. Women's lib was an attempt to make women 'free' from patriarchal bonds, unfortunately it emphasised that women act like men or what they perceived to be the opposite of their former oppressed state. Women and men are utterly different, it's what makes the world go round. She, in her natural state, is not dependant on him - although she is the passive principle, it is he who must act , fight off invaders, build houses, hunt, engage in vigorous physical activity, etc. She waits, unchanging and always offering love - he serves her and protects her, and she gives him strength and purpose in a cruel and ever-changing world.
that's as beautiful as it is true.
Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:02 pm
PersianKnight
Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Somewhere safe
Dirt Poor wrote:
PersianKnight wrote:
Dirt Poor wrote:
Most religions veiw women as slaves of men. Nothing is sacred, everything is profane.
Not just some religions tho. Look at our society, materialist, atheist, agnostic - and they still treat women like crap. Women's lib was an attempt to make women 'free' from patriarchal bonds, unfortunately it emphasised that women act like men or what they perceived to be the opposite of their former oppressed state. Women and men are utterly different, it's what makes the world go round. She, in her natural state, is not dependant on him - although she is the passive principle, it is he who must act , fight off invaders, build houses, hunt, engage in vigorous physical activity, etc. She waits, unchanging and always offering love - he serves her and protects her, and she gives him strength and purpose in a cruel and ever-changing world.
that's as beautiful as it is true.
Thanks. Yeah, I'm a spiritual outcast but I don't care. Ideally, I am Majnun and she is Layla, and I cry for her and serve her - I am the strong man who rules over creation, in the service of her objectives: beauty and stillness. The Mighty King who draws his power from the feminine throne of Mercy and Beauty - the Annihilator of all, that does not act, but arouses all action.
(At least, I WISH I were those things. LOL. But i don't live up to said ideals. We're talking absolute spiritual perfection here - and "religion" or materialism will ensure that doesn't happen).
In some quarters of Sufism, women are honored and treated with great spiritual respect. They regard women as the unmanifest, the BEYOND-BEING, the blackness that births the light. and not just some earthly soil which lies willingly waiting to be f*cked.
This is why a lot of so-called Muslims attack me when I expose them and their leaders for taking the Koran literally or interpreting the (highly contextual and AMBIGUOUS) Arabic meanings for their own patriarchal ends.
It's their loss - yang cannot survive without ying; because ying is unchanging stillness. They need to learn that, and fast - otherwise the world will continue to suffer from excessive Yang energy burning itself out.
Its in threads like this where PK shone the most. Its sad to see him go. Its too bad he felt so strongly about the disagreements we had with the FC. :(
Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:57 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8624 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Maybe they'll do some listening, reading, and learning instead of just blind attacking and maybe ask to come back. I don't consider them permanently banned.. just in need of a break or more time to investigate their thoughts.
The muslims should honor the women, hence their religion centers on the profet. The person bringing the light, the sun.
That person is Venus and venus has almost always been seen female.
Christians call Venus the lightbringer for Lusifer and pretending it is male.
Well alot of muslism tend to lie to protect themselves it seems, as goes for any religion but particularly Muslims. They say they love women and to treat them like gold, which im sure they do(some of them). But I guess the muslism that know the turh and presist to follow the wrong ways know its a form of power. A creation of Illuminati??
