If God loved everyone; why would he condemn some to hell?:
Genesis 13:13
13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
Luke
10He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,
" 'though seeing, they may not see;
though hearing, they may not understand.'
Some people use the story of Sodom and Gommorah to show YHWH's disdain for homosexuality. Unfortunately this story isn't so air tight as homosexuality wasn't the only issue (though elsewhere in the Bible YHWH does endorse rape):
Deuteronomy 21
11And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
Homosexuality is a punishment inflicted by YHWH:
Romans
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Romans 1:32
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Leviticus 18
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon the
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Timothy 1:10
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Jude 1:7
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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One of the most disturbing aspects of this is the physical and mental abuse people face for being a product of their environments. One of those environmental factors could be the integration of soy products into many processed foods. Another could be a chemical weapon.
Christianity has got to be the most contradicting religion on the planet. I've had to deal with this shit since middle school.
GOD LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN! (except you, and you, and you)
I think it's kinda funny that if I have a partner I love and we let's say, adopt some kid who otherwise might not have a chance at a pretty decent life. Suddenly not only are we going to Hell for being abominable lesbians but we're also somehow guilty of child endangerment. Yet some perverted priest can say a two second prayer and 10 years of child molesting is absolved...
In a side note was making this discussion on Sunday on purpose?
Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:23 am
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Re: Yeah
forensicgeek wrote:
In a side note was making this discussion on Sunday on purpose?
It was posted 4 days ago, but I did promote and add to it today. I didn't notice it was Sunday. lol
God does not hate anyone, but only hates the sin. In the Bible it says that God hates all sins including homosexuality. Just because we lust does it mean he hates us? No, the only sin God will not forgive is the sin of not believing. God doesnt send people to hell, they send theirself there. He sent his only son to die for us, he loves us and does not want us to go to hell. He gave us our own free will and if we do not accept him, that is why we go to hell. Christians that say God hates fags are not speaking out of love, the Bible tells us to speak the truth with love (Ephesians 4:15).
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:09 pm
madthumbs
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Cody2,
You're either being ignorant or intentionally whitewashing.
Romans:
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Quote:
God doesnt send people to hell, they send theirself there
2 Corinthians 4:
4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
In Romans it means God loves less Esau for his pride and arrogant behaviour.
In 2 Cor. This verse is symbolic, we cant take everything in The Bible literal. This is spiritual blindness. God never blinds, but He gives freedom. Like the song, I was blind but now I see. It is our choice to believe.
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:43 pm
madthumbs
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Titus 1:2:
2a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
Since you take it upon yourself to teach raising yourself up above the Holy Spirit:
Matthew 23:8-30:
8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.[a] 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
15"[b]Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
Matthew 5:17-18 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus was talking about God's law. Back in the day they had slavery because it was the law of man, not God. The Bible is against rape. Jesus came to save us from hell.
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:49 pm
madthumbs
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No Cody2: read the references and quit lying for your God. He endorsed rape, slavery, racial genocide, etc.
My God does not need lying for, he is the way, the truth and the light. You take God's word completely out of context and do not study about the law that was held by "man" back in the day.
Rape
"But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. 26"But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case. 27"When he found her in the field, the engaged girl cried out, but there was no one to save her." ( Deut. 22:25-28 )
God shows no favorism in race.
Acts 10:34-35
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Yet some perverted priest can say a two second prayer and 10 years of child molesting is absolved...
In a side note was making this discussion on 