One such strange belief is that G_D has promised them the area of land from the Nile to the Euphrates.
However, this belief is entirely mistaken. In Genesis 15:18
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates."
G_D promises (unspecified) descendants of Abraham the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, however, in Genesis 17:8,
"And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."
and in Exodus 6:3-4,
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.
and again in First Chronicles 16:16-18,
Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant, saying, "Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;"
G_D promises only the land of Canaan (the promised land) to the descendants of Abraham's younger son, Isaac (which includes as a small portion, the biblical Jews).
So then, according to the Torah, the Jews (together with the Israelites) have only been promised the land Canaan.
And that is all they get, for in Joshua 21:43 & 45
And the LORD gave unto Israel ALL THE LAND which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein..... There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
G_D says that the Israelites and Jews have already possessed all the land promised to them. That's it, no more land for the Jews.
A similar statement is made in Nehemiah 9:23-4
Their children also multipliedst thou as the stars of heaven, and broughtest them into the land, concerning which thou hadst promised to their fathers, that they should go in to possess it. So the children went in and possessed the land, and thou subduedst before them the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, and gavest them into their hands,...
So, since it is not the Jews/Israelites that got the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, which descendants of Abraham did get it?
Well, by observation, it is clear that the Arabs, the descendants of Abraham's eldest son, Ishmael, got it.
That is, the Arabs were promised the area of land from the Nile to the Euphrates, and G_D gave it to them.
So, Jews are disobeying G_D when they try to force the Arabs from their G_D given home.
THE RETURN TO THE PROMISED LAND.
After having received the promised land from God, the descendants of Isaac's son Jacob (whom God named Israel), fought among each other, with the tribes Judah and Benjamin breaking away from the land of Israel to form their own state, called Judah.
The people of Israel were called Israelites (the descendants of Jacob's sons, Joseph, Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher and Naphtali) and the people of Judah were called Jews (the descendants of Jacob's other sons, Judah and Benjamin).
Both the Jews and Israelites persisted in their sin, and as punishment, both were carried away as captives to foreign lands.
However, God promised to gather both the Israelites and Jews from the nations were they had been dispersed, and to return them to Canaan, as stated in Ezekiel 37:19-22;
Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land. And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
Unfortunately, the Israelites who were tenfold more numerous than the Jews have never been located and are not about to return to Canaan any time soon. Since, one of the signs of the end times is the return of both, Israelites and Jews, to Canaan, we have to conclude the end times are truly very far off.
So, indeed, the end times are truly, very, very far off.
Are you asking that because you really really want to know? Or are you using a simple question, waiting for responses and then will pounce in and instigate an argument later?
The best way to learn is to do your own research and read, and then make up your own mind. Don't rely on people from a forum to spoon-feed you. If you have access to the internet, you have a gigantic library at your fingertips.
And there was an explanation in the quote MT provided:
After having received the promised land from God, the descendants of Isaac's son Jacob (whom God named Israel), fought among each other, with the tribes Judah and Benjamin breaking away from the land of Israel to form their own state, called Judah.
The people of Israel were called Israelites (the descendants of Jacob's sons, Joseph, Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher and Naphtali) and the people of Judah were called Jews (the descendants of Jacob's other sons, Judah and Benjamin).
Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:44 pm
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madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8243 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Jew = Racist Religion: NOT a race
Israelite = Descendant of Jacob
Israeli = Citizen of Israel
Some people like to argue that Jew is a race (it fits the racist religion and the Zionist plot to do this). They ignore that even Hitler's regime had a hard time distinguishing them and had to refer to their ancestor's religion. Here's some links that affirm that they're not a race: They're Not Jews: They're Khazars and The Edomites and the Khazars. The only reason to call them a race is to suit the racist religion. As long as they have Christians as their guard dogs: they have reason to call themselves Jews.
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No need to get snooty Ceara. I simply don't hear too many people make that distinction. It certainly casts things in a new light when we consider as madthumbs mentioned, that the vastly more numerous israelites have virtually disappeared from the face of the Earth, making the fullfilment of the ezekielian prophecy which most tradionalists already claim as a fait accompli, less than likely. Trully something to think about.
MT You seem to know a great deal about the bible for someone who isn't a believer, at least I think that is what you've said.
Here is a website On the subject of the lost 10 tribes xxx://britam.org/
This guy is Jewish and has made many interesting points about the decendants of Israel.
I disagree with him on his religous ideas.
The passage about the two sticks joining, according to the Jewish beliefs is that these are the two messiahs they are waiting on. The messiahs will bring them together. There messiah is not considered God incarnate but merely a men.
Jesus supposably fullfilled both these and will one day bring all Israel back together on his second coming.
And ALL Israel shall be saved"
This site does make some good points about the Israelites which were scattered.
British supposedly comes from Hewbrew meaning "Covenant people" or people of the covenant.
As Brit is part of the website name which means covenant.
It has been said that only about 10% of todays Jews are of the ogirnal bloodline.
Modern Jews accept anyone who claims to convert to Judaism which did many during the babylonian period where the Jews were enslaved. At that time is where the racist Babylonain Talmut was written and they say Judism was born here out of the Hebrew relgion and now Judaism is confused with the bloodline of Judah.
Jesus said in Revelations "Woe unto you who call yourselves Jews and are not"
This indicates that he that he thought of this bloodline as distinct people and not of this religion.
If you lived in the land of Judah or Judea long ago then you were also called Jew or Judean.
Modern Jews goes as far as calling anyone a Jew if born to someone whos ancesters converted to Judaism even if they are atheist. The Jewish mix is very confused. Funny if one converts to christianity they will claim they were never really a Jew.
It's just that there have been people in the past that have come here to do exactly what I said in last post - to act innocent and ask questions, only to turn and attack and cause trouble. I really like all the regulars on this forum and feel protective I guess.
I'm sorry.
Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:26 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8243 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
The lost tribes is a BS hoax. It goes along with how they purposely left any physical characteristics of Jesus out of the Bible, and why all colors and likes of people think Jesus looks like them. We're talking about something that supposedly happened a mere ~2000 years ago here.
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It has been said that only about 10% of todays Jews are of the ogirnal bloodline.
What bloodline?
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Modern Jews accept anyone who claims to convert to Judaism which did many during the babylonian period where the Jews were enslaved.
That's one way to whitewash a racist religion. Mormons are doing this with Black people also. Mormons taught that dark skin and nappy hair was the mark put on Cain, and that they couldn't be in the priesthood. Look at how things change.
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At that time is where the racist Babylonain Talmut was written and they say Judism was born here out of the Hebrew relgion and now Judaism is confused with the bloodline of Judah.
Jesus said in Revelations "Woe unto you who call yourselves Jews and are not"
This indicates that he that he thought of this bloodline as distinct people and not of this religion.
No.
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If you lived in the land of Judah or Judea long ago then you were also called Jew or Judean.
That was then, this is now. Confusing people with two definitions of Jew only helps the whitewashing. Another tool they use is the term: "anti-Semite" when most aren't even semitic. It's designed to imply that one is racist, disregarding the fact that Judaism is racist. Keeping the words simple stops the confusion.
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Modern Jews goes as far as calling anyone a Jew if born to someone whos ancesters converted to Judaism even if they are atheist.
People can say and do what they want, but in the end their religion is in writing and it speaks for them. Christians are supposed to kill witches, many will lie and make excuses for not doing so. The damage is still done. Some Christians do kill witches and the ones who don't just serve to whitewash for the sick religion.
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Funny if one converts to christianity they will claim they were never really a Jew.
Christians are as much Jews as Mormons are Christian. There's thousands of denominations, all teach and promote racism, genocide, female oppression, homosexual oppression, slavery, rape, etc. They can all be safely lumped together and discarded.
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MT You seem to know a great deal about the bible for someone who isn't a believer
Yes, I put those pathetic people who claim it's "God's Holy Word" to shame. If they believe in it so much, why don't they know what's in it? The fact is: people jump on a bandwagon and stay there. They don't really believe in it, or they'd read it intensely and with priority.
Madthumbs, you say the idea of the Lost Tribes is BS, but what do you think of various groups in Asia such as the Bene Ephraim in India who claim descent from one of the ten tribes and seem to have preserved a long tradition of authentic jewish practices?
Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:49 am
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madthumbs
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Even if you have 1, where are the other 9? Religions evolve. Judaism to Catholicism to Protestantism to Mormonism to Christian Scientology, etc. You think Judaism started it? Maybe it's the other way around.
Actually there is a Bene Ephraim and some claims for other groups. But what belief system or philosphy do you advocate if any since you seem to see organized religion as bogus, not without some justification, I might add?
Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:39 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8243 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Doesn't having a belief system indicate closed mindedness?
Well, generally yes especially if it involves religious dogma.
Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:38 am
alexclaton2
Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 42 Location: I love everyone
Religion is lazy way to control people. I am often called a atheist because I refuse to go along with the crowd who want everyone to believe in god or jesus christ. a super natural being created this world from nothing
Santa Claus is satan disguising himself as as good old man who is only trying to bring happiness to children
What do religion do to people? It dumbs them down much like public school. Two side of the same coin.
God is invincible, he is everywhere, he loves you and will punish murderer!
I am convinced... guess what? not.
Public school taught that there's no limit to how much you can learn. Tell that to a retard and they would be like "wow, I'm very happy thank you very much."
Not realizing that being fed propaganda lies that is more dangerous then the atomic bomb would result in national suicide.
The mind has a limit to how much info you put into it, if you overload it you will become a psycho or have mental disorder.
Few people will be able to learn alot but they often do not due to stress but most will be so brainwashed that even if someone was to point to them that what they been taught is all bs they would start attacking you verbally
I use to attend churches every sunday for a year I always fall asleep because it is so boring or uninteresting
The only reason I go there was to meet some people and do something together, go out have lunch play computer together
I use to attend churches every sunday for a year I always fall asleep because it is so boring or uninteresting
I went to church for about 16 years, attended a catholic school, and read the entire bible by myself 3 times.
The result?
I didn't learn anything from Church that I didn't already know. It was tremendously boring and a terrible waste of time for me. I had the whole thing memorized to the point where I could hold mass myself. I knew more about what the priest was talking about then it seemed he did.
I learned to dislike nuns and priests. I didn't meet very many of them that were friendly. The nuns were the worst, they were mean.
I learned that no matter how many times you read the Bible, it still doesn't make sense. The contradictions make it mostly useless.
