Money = Wealth?

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Food

Heritage and non-GMO Seed Suppliers

Health Care

foods that we wouldn't normally eat

Vaccines we don't need

best medications are suppressed

worse off for it

Housing

The more you have; the more you have to lose. The people with money tend to spend a lot of time and money working on their home or insuring it while worrying about losing it. The people lacking money make the world their home. The people without money don't worry so much about leaky pipes, trees falling on their home, flooding, etc.

Clothing

The people with money tend to worry about stains in their clothes, how they fit or look, whether they're stylish, etc. They cave into shallowness and look for the same qualities in others. The people without money often acquire free clothes that are comfortable, washed a few times so they have less processing chemicals in them, and they are often capable of extending the life of good articles of clothing or getting stains out or covering them.

Our money system is a means to enslave us. With money, we can be more easily taxed, charged, manipulated, etc. We're schooled into thinking that our success in life depends on our ability to earn money. Someone putting as much effort into work, production, and savings as they put into schooling in the US could possibly retire on that effort.

Many companies offer free products just for calling them and asking for them. Some Grocery stores offer double and tripling of coupons that people who work full time jobs simply don't have time for even though the coupons would pay better than the job. People don't even have to pay for a paper to get the coupons. People leave them in shopping carts at the store. Not long ago I was feeding a family of 3 on about $25 a week by getting 3-4 copies of the same coupon, tripling them, and dividing up Groceries into separate orders to meet the $7.50 minimum for tripling coupons.

I calculated once how much I made returning other people's bottles and cans to a Grocery store. While I was there, I overheard one of the employees complaining about how the owner treated them. They were earning less than half of what I was working my own hours.

An apartment complex I was staying in, I started offering to fix things for the owner. Eventually I was managing the whole complex and taking a good chunk of change off my rent (which is like a tax free income). See: Jobs to Screw the Taxman with.

I started cooking for a local bar once: free food, and got tips cooking and waiting tables (more tax free income). I became picky being able to prepare my own food, and people would see some of my creations and order them which I took great pride in. I loved my job, my co-workers and had a great life! Work was almost like a constant party or cookout: not the high stress craziness people put themselves through to pay the highest mortgage or rent they could afford.

I have very little income now, yet I often eat the best of foods. The world is my home, I have real friends, flexible hours, nice clothes, etc. This kind of life is probably impractical if you live in a city, or certain locations. However, you can be resourceful in various conditions.

You don't learn as good by copying. Free yourselves from the notion that your wealth is how much money you have. You can have the world if you'll simply take it.

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Very good points! I think about it this way: when you break away all the unnecessary garbage from your culturally programmed living process, you will find that the following is true:

1. You don't need money to live. Money is just a shortcut of barter/trade that allows bankers and governments to manipulate you. Remember, any time your money's value can be changed on the whim of another, it's probably not a good idea. Fix the value of the money or don't use it at all. To do otherwise is foolishness. Take away the money manipulation system and what do you have? Trade, goods for goods.
2. You don't necessarily need trade to live either. You can be self sufficient if you can provide everything you need. Survival on your land is an important skill that seems to be missing from our cultural programming these days. Even though I don't think it is necessary, trade is a friendly way of sharing with your neighbors, so I recommend doing it when it becomes possible.
3. After all has been removed, you only need three things: land to live on that has the necessary natural resources (water, food, air), training to survive on your land, and intelligence to handle new situations as they arise. Anything else is extra and unnecessary. An optional fourth item would be a mate to create offspring. I am not sure if this should be considered a neccessity, but I think a good family completes us also.

Perhaps living this way sounds like it would be hard, dirty, and boring. You might struggle with the removal of your cultural conditioning. For those who have not freed themselves yet, you must ask yourself: What is it that you really want? Is all this "advancement of mankind" crap that you see around you what you really want? Does this fill you with a feeling of happiness, or make you feel complete, or one with nature? If you don't know the answer to these questions, you should find them.

One step at a time, remove your programming and learn to do that which makes you one with nature, instead of participating in a culture that opposes and destroys nature; a culture of overly complex procedures, intentional ignorance, and lies. I recommend taking a trip to your local city to see what the "advancement of mankind" can do.

PS: A book that goes over cultural programming and the story of mankind's choice to either be "advanced" or be "simple" is Daniel Quinn's "Ishmael".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael_%28novel%29

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For a good source of clothing, I've found (at least locally) the church has what we call the basement and anyone can go in there, get a large garbage sack full of clothes for less than $5. Often these clothes are very very new, and many still have the tags on. I receive a lot of clothing from other people. Most of them are getting fatter and fatter every day, and so can't fit into their clothes. Got a very nice pile of clothes the other day from such a person. I have nice clothes too but the majority of the time I wear sloppy clothes and look a lot poorer than I am. I go to the store wearing grass/dirt stained jeans, no makeup on and my hair put up. lol

Growing your own veggies is hard, hard work. You sweat, you attract biting bugs, you get dirt all over you. But the flavour is amazing and cannot be duplicated, as said in the first post. Nothing like strolling outside in early summer, and picking fresh strawberries for dessert. Mine are beginning to set flowers now. Very Happy

I was telling someone last night while I was on my MMORPG game... try to imagine someone like Donald Trump dumped off in the middle of nowhere. He wouldn't know what to do with himself. He certainly can't buy his way to survive.

So yeah we should all learn how to live more natural. Those of us that know will survive much longer than those who don't know squat about nature.

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Why support a church when nearly anyone would give you free clothes? My father use to yard sale shop for them cheaper than a $5 bag sounds. There's a town near where I used to live that has a day a year where people get rid of their unwanted furniture that won't go in normal garbage. If you get up to the expensive section of town you can make out like a bandit.

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I'm glad this post came up. Honestly if you talk to most people they don't know what they would do with
themselves if the money system didn't exist. They couldn't bore us to death with their talk of financial
markets and business cycles. People wouldn't think western countries are the place to be because they wouldn't
need their crazy commercialism.

I think craigslist has a lot of free stuff like clothes and furniture and there is even a section for bartering. Perhaps we can set up links
to some of these things.

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Hmmn.. Great idea edisme! I used to use a bulletin board that had a "Hot Deals" forum that was very popular.

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I don't support the church.

However just about everyone and their dog goes there and gets bags and bags of clothes and it's all handed out among friends. It's a small town and we don't have used clothing stores or any other bigger town style venue. And the local garage sales are all junk and no one ever sells their junk and the same junk gets put out on tables in the front lawns year after year. Only good thing we ever found was cod fishing gear for $2. lol Now if we could only afford the gas for the boat we could have some fresh cod. *sigh*

Not every town is the same and we do what we can.

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I understand what Ceara means, I get the impression that the small local church near me means well, I get the impression that they want to be Christians because of the good values it's supposed to teach and for the sense of community not necessarily because they believe in the Bible. It's mostly young adults. They put on things for kids and teenagers; give local bands a chance to play and don't charge etc. I'm not defending them, but there is a massive difference between these people and the 'top dog' religious leaders.

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Church is a place for bad people to pretend they're good. Some of the best people make the worst first impressions, while the worst kind of people make the best. Despite this, most people are extremely affected by first impressions.

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bye

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Yep, just because I'm against religion doesn't mean I'm atheist. I'm not agnostic either.