Anarchy is not violence! Government is what causes more violence throughout the world. Because of our ability to inform ourselves is because it can work. Voluntary society is something aim for. Hamilton advocated John Locke's concept of permanent aristocracy. James Madison says:
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In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The Senate, therefore, ought to be this body.
Lets leave out of this deal Blacks, Indians and Women. Aren't the rich white men's rights protected in this republic.
*Thanks to a Windy and Rich from mspace for this info*.
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Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:11 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8400 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Ron Paul Brushfires for Freedom (addressing the JBS)
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Ron Paul addresses the Get Us Out of the UN Committee of the John Birch Society in Salt Lake City in Jan. 2004. He gives a look into Washington politics and how he tries to not get discouraged.
Its too bad more people couldn't see through this farce. He feels the republican party is more important than the thousands of people that gave support to this man. This was an exercise in human conditioning. It shows that people only want to unite behind a leader who will solve all their problems. Will people ever look to themselves for solutions?
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Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well.
Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.
I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.
In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.
Sincerely,
Ron
Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:21 am
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madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8400 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
On another forum that heavily supports Ron Paul (and even threatened to ban people for not supporting him), they overlooked their beliefs about 9/11 being an Israeli Job (Ron Paul blames Arabs), and they criticized and bashed Christians as being "weak minded", etc but make excuses and overlook Ron Paul's Christianity. They also try to tell us that Ron is against Israel, when he makes it clear that his policy is in Israel's best interest (which it is). It's amazing how many people dropped what they were doing to put full support behind this guy who they don't even agree with fully, and in the face of well documented election fraud. It's as if corporations / Israelis are running some of these forums (which some do).
Please note there are better things to do with your time. Though we have plenty of information on jewish misbehavior it is not going to solve the bigger problem. IMO that problem is government and the bankers. Use your energy to encourage self sufficiency, research how anarchy has worked in the past and work towards a voluntary society. That in itself is civil disobedience.
WOW! THANK YOU! What a run this is! Almost $30 MILLION in grassroots funding! Tens of thousands of tireless volunteer hours! Unity among conservatives and liberals, democrats and republicans, young and old, black, white, hispanic, affluent and poor! You have reinvigorated the political process. Your uncompromising evangelism rivals any grassroots campaign since the 60’s. You’ve lit a fire under the seat of the neo-cons! The neoconservatives had capitalized for 7 years on American apathy to enrich themselves and further their treacherous ideology. However, YOU changed all that in a matter of a few months. Yes, it was YOU. Ron Paul was the principled, soft-spoken, throwback conservative that became the face of YOUR message. The ideas of liberty, peace, personal responsibility, justice, and prosperity have found willing ambassadors in ALL of YOU. Ron Paul became the mouthpiece intelligibly voicing YOUR discontent.
In a perfect world Paul would have the voice of a Martin Luther King Jr, the youthful, dashing good looks of a John F. Kennedy, and the unifying populist message of a Huey Long. This is not a perfect world. To say there was a lot to overcome is a monumental understatement. You had an interlocked corporate media, a largely ignorant and apathetic populace, a status quo in Washington reinforced for decades, vote fraud, and constant smears about his “unelectability” to hurdle before the message could be heard and understood. However, the movement began LONG before Ron Paul became a household name and will continue LONG after he fades into the memory hole of the United States of Amnesia.
Some of you have become disillusioned by Paul’s lackluster performance on “Super Tuesday.” Others are quietly in doubt while bravely soldiering on. Some truly faithful will ride this “’til the wheels fall off.” Most, however, are beginning to notice the writing on the wall. You’ve tried to ignore and avoid it with unflinching optimism in the face of greater odds stacked against you. But one can only slam his head into a brick wall so many times before deciding to find a way to walk around it.
There’s always plenty of blame to go around, isn’t there? Some are blaming “stupid, apathetic, Americans” for voting in the primaries for the “mainstream, pro-war” candidates. Others are blaming the “9/11 Truth movement” or “white supremacist” groups for attaching themselves to Paul causing “negative publicity.” Some are blaming the mainstream media for smearing and marginalizing Paul and his supporters. Still others complain about Paul’s campaign being “incompetent” or “inefficient.” Some activists are blaming others for “not being active enough.” And a few enlightened ones have cited vote fraud as the culprit. Undoubtedly most of these factors have played a role. But NO ONE wins the blame game. Pointing fingers has never accomplished anything. Now is not the time to fight amongst yourselves but rather, a time to unite more than ever before.
We have seen how a handful of simple ideas can revolutionize and charge a devoted few to mobilize and unify hundreds of THOUSANDS of unique people. The “Ron Paul Revolution” has brought in people who could rattle off many anomalies and unknown facts about 9/11, to people who were simply tired of the war causing hyper inflation and decreased purchasing power. That’s why there is no reason why the seemingly slow demise of the “Ron Paul campaign for presidency” should mean the end of the movement which made this campaign possible and aggressively made it part of popular consciousness.
Most Paul supporters now know that the neoconservatives, or neo-cons, started the illegal war in Iraq with a pack of lies. In fact, the neo-cons published policy papers unambiguously stating these objectives long before 9/11 provided a casus belli for a perpetual “war on terror.” Under the auspices of think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), Project for a New American Century (PNAC), the Hudson Institute, the Rand Corporation, and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), to name a few, the neo-cons have propagandized about policy objectives like creating “a new middle east” and consolidating Canada, the U.S. and Mexico into a tri-state North American Union (NAU).
What most Paul supporters, and indeed most Americans, do NOT know however, is that an overwhelming majority of the influential and policy-making neo-cons are dual citizens of Israel. Most of these are right wing Likud-nik types, or Straussian extremist, “Israel-firsters”, who have hijacked our foreign policy in a decidedly pro-Israel manner which undermines our national security and sanctions the wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians in our immoral wars on Afghanistan and Iraq in the name of the American People. Why should America allow citizens of another nation in key positions in government that directly affect our foreign policy and aid the tightening domestic squeeze on our civil liberties? Doesn’t that sound un-American to you?
The peculiarities of our entrenched and unjustifiable relationship with Israel has been the subject of fiery debate in recent years as the “Israel Lobby” has clamored and beaten drums for war with Iran. John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have done an excellent and thorough analysis of the amorphous “Israel Lobby” and its effect on our foreign policy in a book of the same name.
As many are increasingly becoming aware, Iran poses absolutely no threat to the United States, or Israel for that matter. As Ron Paul has eloquently stated many times, Israel is a grown up and can take care of itself. Israel has more than 200 nukes and is not subject to any sanctions or IAEA investigation or interrogation. That’s 200 more than the first nuke it would take Iran over a decade to make, assuming, with no evidence, that the bomb was the goal of their nuclear program.
Ron Paul supporters, in general, are also largely unaware that Israel is the only country ever to spy on or attack the United States of America with impunity. TWICE!
In the summer of 1954, Israel sent spies to Egypt who teamed with recruited Egyptian Jews to bomb U.S. and British targets including U.S. Diplomatic agencies in Alexandria and Cairo. This is now known as the Lavon affair for the failed “false flag” Operation Susannah concocted by Israeli military intelligence.
Incidentally, current Homeland Security Czar and Dual Citizen of Israel, Michael Chertoff’s mother, Livia, was working for Israel’s subversive spy agency, Mossad at the same time. For those unaware, 5 Mossad agents were caught by police on 9/11 on the George Washington Bridge after being reported to authorities as “celebrating” and “high-fiving.” These 5 Mossad agents had box cutters like the ones purportedly used by the “19 hijackers” and their van tested positive for explosives. They were later quietly sent back to Israel on minor visa violations by Chertoff where one of them infamously claimed, “our purpose was to document the event”
Also in June 1967, the USS Liberty, a sophisticated intelligence ship, was attacked in international waters off the coast of Gaza by unmarked Israeli Jets and submarines for several hours. 34 U.S. navy servicemen were killed and 173 were wounded. Not only did the United States never retaliate for this unprovoked attack by Israel but many survivors of the ship were threatened by government officials to keep quiet about the details of that fateful day. To this day congress has not heard the story of the survivors.
Finally after 40 years of silence the Chicago Tribune published an elaborate and well-received essay about the USS Liberty massacre by John Crewdson on Oct. 2, 2007.
This can be read online here:
Ron Paul supporters and other patriot groups should use the momentum they have built up to expose the neo-con dual-citizen Israelis who are subverting U.S. foreign policy and driving America to bankruptcy with their perpetual, illegal “war on terror” in the middle east. Excising criminals from government is the responsibility of every American patriot. Protecting the constitution from enemies foreign or domestic is the obligation of every official in the U.S. government.
A great opportunity for justice against the dual citizen neo-cons has presented itself with yet another spy case that is now being fought behind the scenes, largely unreported and thus, unknown to the general public.
In 2004, Larry Franklin, a pentagon analyst was charged, prosecuted and convicted for 12 years for passing classified military documents to Keith Weissman and Stephen Rosen, employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) at the time, who have since been fired. Franklin was able to get such a light sentence for the crime of abetting espionage because he vowed to testify against others who were involved. This reaches up the chain of command to implicate other high-level, dual-citizen, Israeli neo-cons like Douglas Feith, Michael Ledeen, and Richard Pearl: key, influential neo-cons in the Bush administration.
The trial, which has been delayed for more than two years, has a tentative start date of April 29, 2008 in the chambers of Judge T.S. Ellis III in the U.S. District Court in Alexandria, VA.
I urge the Ron Paul activists, wherever they may be, to support the federal prosecution in this AIPAC spy trial and create wide-spread awareness with the great fervor for which you are nationally acclaimed.
This is our first great opportunity to get justice against the war mongering criminal neo-cons. These neo-cons are the antithesis to what Ron Paul and his supporters who value liberty and accountability are all about. America needs your patriotic energy now more than ever. This moment will never return in history. ACT NOW!
Sincerely,
Jonathon Xavier
Jonathon Xavier is a freelance writer, lecturer, and author currently living in Alexandria, VA.
He’s currently working on a book titled, “The socialization of democracy”
Normally I would have put this under the anarchy thread but if there are still people who view this forum supporting independent candidates this video is dedicated to you.
This clip explains the political spectrum. From 100% rule of a Fascist dictatorship to 0% like that of Anarchy and that which is in between. Anarchy, Oligarchy, Democracy, Monarchy, Republic.
I have another thing to add to this topic. Other than this strange bit of inconsistancy, I like what I am hearing from this man. However, talking and acting are two entirely different things. Does he "talk the talk", but not "walk the walk"?
Also of particular note in the proceeding’s transcript is Rep. Ron Paul (Texas) who, although brave enough to publicly, and aggressively, confront the Constitutional problems arising out of the Committee’s actions, failed to have the fortitude to actually vote for his own proposed amendment which was a direct, formal, and constitutionally proper, declaration of war against Iraq.
If anyone knows why he did this, I would love to know.
Wasn't he upset there was a drastic change to the bill when it went to vote? Somehow there was a loop hole in a change he felt was detrimental.
I don't know but would like to; I just read the quoted text in the We The People site. Maybe they talked about it in the Ron Paul forums, but I don't read or write in them. I searched about the internet looking for more information about this, but didn't find anything useful. Let me know if you remember where you heard it.
Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:08 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8400 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Diverting activists is more common than I thought:
A local issue arises that people can do something about without spending a cent. Information on it is made to disappear while Amnesty International propaganda is spread.
Anyone else also notice how these profiteering charities will use dead people? Fight for XXXX by walking for XXXX charity! The sadder thing is, the cure is already known and easily available for XXXX disease. People participating are the most hated. It's like putting on your sunday best while continuing to be a jerk the rest of the week. Magicians fool us with sleight of hand, and so do these crooks.
