I don't understand why you would be bad mouthing Acharya S. Her work is quite well thought out and helpful. I understand she doesn't agree that Zionism is the grandest scheme ever concocted and so she must be all the sudden connected to Rupert Murdock? lol.
I will say though that the mod on her site 'Freethinkaluva' is way too overzealous and annoying in his attempts to belittle anyone who has ANYTHING bad to say about Acharya S, but aside from that dude, I just think you might wanna consider the possibility that she really isn't a 'zionism sympathizer' or working in cahoots with anyone. I have never heard her utter anything unfair or demeaning in all the material or opinions she has presented. Just consider you are talking about a younger woman writing about subject matter that puts her up for all kinds of negativity. We may think we live in an equal world or whatever, but the fact is I doubt either one of us can comprehend what it's like to be in a position such as hers.
Yes she has said that she doesn't necessarily agree with 9/11 conspiracy or with zionism activists. She seems to believe in manmade global warming and I'm sure there are plenty of other opinions that we both can agree she is probably wrong about.
But guess what...out of all the people who we read, listen to, etc there is probably not one person that holds the exact same opinion as you or me or the next guy who thinks they know everything about the world.
I am very familiar with the whole AIDS fraud for instance and I can tell you very few, if any AIDS dissidents venture into moon hoaxes or 9/11 or the Federal Reserve. The reason is the same reason that most of them don't come out right away and claim that HIV doesn't exist...they don't want to overwhelm people who are first learning about this stuff. I have, however contacted a few of the dissidents for information and have had lengthy conversations, particularly with David Crowe of ARAS. He is fully aware of other conspiracies but he knows that he can't bring that stuff up as it has no relevance to HIV AIDS.
Granted in the big picture it is all tied together for the most part, but there is a reason why some of these people, who happen to be some of the most kind and honest people you will meet, don't go dabbling into every field.
Anyway, obviously you can say what you will, I'm just curious what good it does to spread surmise and, quite extravagant supposition about good people.
Good luck to you though. All the best.
-Paradigm
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I don't understand why you would be bad mouthing Acharya S.
Please quote when making such assertions so I can address them properly.
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Her work is quite well thought out and helpful.
Have you attempted to verify the claims of hers that were used in the Zeitgeist vid?
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I understand she doesn't agree that Zionism is the grandest scheme ever concocted and so she must be all the sudden connected to Rupert Murdock? lol.
I questioned it on one forum. It's a valid concern especially when she's using a title or false name as an author.
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she really isn't a 'zionism sympathizer' or working in cahoots with anyone.
Her primary focus appears to be what affects her personally such as religion being anti-woman. I've fairly quoted her response to the Palestinian issue which is in line with that.
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Just consider you are talking about a younger woman writing about subject matter that puts her up for all kinds of negativity. We may think we live in an equal world or whatever, but the fact is I doubt either one of us can comprehend what it's like to be in a position such as hers.
You make it sound as if she has it worse than the Palestinians that she could care less about.
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Yes she has said that she doesn't necessarily agree with 9/11 conspiracy or with zionism activists.
As if I do?
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She seems to believe in manmade global warming and I'm sure there are plenty of other opinions that we both can agree she is probably wrong about.
So what is wrong with showing what she's wrong about?
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But guess what...out of all the people who we read, listen to, etc there is probably not one person that holds the exact same opinion as you or me or the next guy who thinks they know everything about the world.
What matters to me is if they are effective, and how they are effective. I believe Acharya's work is about as credible as Loose Change, and therefore it has a negative effect. I've noticed that valid appearing challenges to her claims seemed to disappear from her forum though I cannot be 100% certain to be honest.
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He is fully aware of other conspiracies but he knows that he can't bring that stuff up as it has no relevance to HIV AIDS.
Wise choice publicly. There is speculation that The Anti-Terrorist is David Icke with the audio pitch off by 20. (There are other ways of getting the information out).
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Granted in the big picture it is all tied together for the most part, but there is a reason why some of these people, who happen to be some of the most kind and honest people you will meet, don't go dabbling into every field.
I don't know specifically what your beef is. I don't blame her for not being anti-ZIonist. I don't blame her for not exposing other conspiracies. Somewhere on her forum I had argued for her sticking to what she specializes in.
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Anyway, obviously you can say what you will, I'm just curious what good it does to spread surmise and, quite extravagant supposition about good people.
You could say the same thing about her and the religious parallels.
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Good luck to you though. All the best.
This really doesn't fit context.
Consider that Alex Jones fans address me the same exact way, except 99% of the time they misspell, 50% of the time they type in all caps, etc. You're better than that obviously. Maybe you should review anything I've said, see if it doesn't hold up, and quote here with link to source to see if there's an explanation. Another thing I find fishy btw is when I quote her statement in response to the Palestinians I cannot find the original quote even though it's quoted by me on her forum and it's addressed without contention.
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hey I'm the last person in the world to blindly follow or defend any specific person as if they are some guru. As far as quoting or citing a specific instance where you spoke out against Acharya...I saw a thread in the david icke forums where you mentioned her possible connection to Rupert Murdock. In terms of issues with her about Palestine, etc...I can't say I have taken the time to examine any specific thread, but she has responded in her own forum that she lost your support in her opinion because [she didn't believe jews were the cause of all the world's ills].
And to tell you the truth, I have no problem with your animosity (if there is any) towards her. It is more that I am curious. If I wanted to bash you, I would use my time to do something more productive like read another book or study for an exam. I'm curious more than anything. I am still of the opinion that she is a good hearted person, and I find her work very enlightening and useful. And to be honest while I am aware of certain issues with zeitgeist or loose change, I don't agree with you that these films need by necessarily boycotted. I can scarcely find ONE instance of a documentary on anything that is not flawed in some way. And it's not like Zeitgeist is some monumental cash machine...I mean is it? They specifically profess they don't care if you burn and share their DVD, download the movie for free, etc. If anything these documentaries are slightly flawed but largely incomplete. So anyone who watches them hopefully gets more curious about these subjects and does some more serious research. The guys who did the Pharmacratic Inquisition made many mistakes in their movie but it's not like it shouldn't be watched or we should brush them aside because their main focus isn't exposing zionism, right?
I want to be clear that I am not a hater in any form though. To each his own.
I am very curious though, perhaps you can direct me to another topic or thread, what are the considerably big issues you have with the work of Acharya S and Zeitgeist in particular?
Ohh and, for the record...sexual intercourse Alex Jones. I feel ashamed that you even mentioned me in the same breath as his idiot followers.
Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:09 am
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.I saw a thread in the david icke forums where you mentioned her possible connection to Rupert Murdock.
I questioned it when her real name was brought up. It's a valid question that hasn't been answered. I fail to see what you have against that. It also wasn't spelled with a K like you have Rupert's. They were both Murdoch.
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In terms of issues with her about Palestine, etc...I can't say I have taken the time to examine any specific thread, but she has responded in her own forum that she lost your support in her opinion because [she didn't believe jews were the cause of all the world's ills].
That's a smear. I don't acknowledge Jew as a race: it's a racist religion. Christians are lumped in the same boat here, and they far out number the religiously racist Jews. As far as support goes, we got none from her so why complain?
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I am still of the opinion that she is a good hearted person, and I find her work very enlightening and useful.
She is a woman fighting mostly for the plight of women similar to Alex Jones fighting for the white nationalists. Neither are credible, and both appear mainly concerned with self interests and making a living at it.
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And to be honest while I am aware of certain issues with zeitgeist or loose change, I don't agree with you that these films need by necessarily boycotted.
If we were boycotting, they wouldn't be provided on this site. They make good examples of how controlled opposition works.
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I can scarcely find ONE instance of a documentary on anything that is not flawed in some way.
Do your homework. Investigate the parallel claims. I estimate that most of the claims are errant. How many Christians do you convert by lying to them?
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And it's not like Zeitgeist is some monumental cash machine...I mean is it? They specifically profess they don't care if you burn and share their DVD, download the movie for free, etc.
Neither does Alex Jones, and many others. The guy pretty much took other people's flawed work, knew it was crap, put it together, and narrated it. Does he really deserve money for it? What impact has it had on Christians? How many Christians did it convert? How many did it send deeper into their delusion after seeing the rebuttals?
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So anyone who watches them hopefully gets more curious about these subjects and does some more serious research.
Most people in the real world don't want to watch a boring documentary, then spend hours researching it. The niche groups we fit into aren't the masses. A good example is the moon landing documentaries. There's been so many of them with rebuttals that people don't want to bother and choose to stick with their gut instead. Religion offers incentive to stick to your gut.
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The guys who did the Pharmacratic Inquisition made many mistakes in their movie but it's not like it shouldn't be watched or we should brush them aside because their main focus isn't exposing zionism, right?
Do we call this an anti-Zionist site? You can't even find "zion" on the index page of the forum. Other people complain that my main focus is Anti-Christian. What are the mistakes, and what impact does it have?
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I am very curious though, perhaps you can direct me to another topic or thread, what are the considerably big issues you have with the work of Acharya S and Zeitgeist in particular?
How can you ask this after stating this?:
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So anyone who watches them hopefully gets more curious about these subjects and does some more serious research.
I've even made it clear in my response what to research.
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Ohh and, for the record...sexual intercourse Alex Jones. I feel ashamed that you even mentioned me in the same breath as his idiot followers.
Like them, you still haven't quoted or referenced your claims. Like them, you still didn't look into the matter and yet you continue to hold an unsubstantiated argument. Like them, you appear to be acting out of emotion instead of rationale. Are you going to continue with this approach?
She is a woman fighting mostly for the plight of women similar to Alex Jones fighting for the white nationalists. Neither are credible, and both appear mainly concerned with self interests and making a living at it.
Yes, and Martin Luther King was obsessed with arguing for the plight of blacks, was he not credible either because he was a religious person? Acharya is very much a feminist but it's not like she invents facts that fit with her agenda, rather, she touches on all information she has found some of which happens to be massive atrocities against women. How is this grounds for declaring someone not credible?
You who claim others have agendas, have an agenda yourself, but that doesn't make you not-credible. It makes you potentially wrong about SOME subject matter. Let's say that zionism isn't the world's biggest problem and we know this for a fact, well, does that make information you post about WWII incorrect as well?
Now, I'm sure you are arguing that the difference is that these authors/speakers are intentionally misleading people, which if it is true, then you have a point. But in my opinion, you can't just lump people who do not agree with you as "them." It's not that simple.
And I hesitate to bring up individual claims because I know not what you have problems with. So I would say the burden is on you to explain where the major absolutely incorrect logic is in the work of Acharya. There will always be details that may or may not be absolute, and they are usually explained as such. But overall, do you not agree that religions are based on solar, lunar, stellar theology? Do you not agree that all of these characters written about in the various holy books of other cultures are fictitious? I mean, this is the whole point, right? If Acharya's work was misleading then in fact these basic conjectures would be incorrect, but they aren't.
I listen to guy named Alan Watt, and have on and off for the last few years. He is a really useful source of getting perspective about freemasonry and happenings in britain. He has said some really stupid things at one point or another. For instance he gets way too carried away with some of his etymology and it's annoying because his points become irrelevant. He also believes the government has the ability to create viruses and use germs as warfare, which it cannot, nor never has been able to do. What they can do is create toxins, but never anything that is infectious. Viruses as we know them don't exist but yet almost any researcher you can find will likely not know this. But it doesn't make them wrong or more importantly BAD. Peter Duesberg believes there really is a virus that exists in people named 'HIV' but yet he doesn't detract from the general dissident thesis. He shouldn't be brushed aside because of it.
Burden of proof is on you to show that people are doing a disservice by referencing their actions. I can point to many actions of people like Alex Jones that do a disservice. However I cannot reference ONE single action Acharya has done to merit such antagonism. Moreover, to lump her as "them" is just as ignorant as people who think Jews are a race. No different.
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Do your homework. Investigate the parallel claims. I estimate that most of the claims are errant. How many Christians do you convert by lying to them?
Do your homework as well. If you did, you wouldn't have to estimate. How many Xtians can you convert by lying to them? ...uhh...how bout all of them. They were dragged into their current stance because of lies. Why wouldn't a better concocted lie work likewise? It would, the problem is not veracity for most of these sheep. It's popularity. You can see it in their rhetoric. How many christians have you heard defend their religion by giving you some number in reference to how many people believe the same shit, or how many thousands of years it's "survived" etc. And you see it in the population data...something like 20-40% of all religions have people within them who have switched over or converted to another faith. You can shove the truth in some people's faces and it can be the absolute unadulterated truth and still they would rather be found dead than hold a contradictory thought.
It's too bad you're so stand-offish. It just seems that every time there is conversation between myself and you, the conversation almost morphs to diametrically oppose one another. In reality I'm sure that's not the case.
And also, what's so wrong about having a pen name, or wanting to remain somewhat anonymous? It's not like you lose credit because you don't let the world know your address, first and last name, DOB, etc. Should you happen to have a name that sounds similar to some asshole media monger or zionist I would be very naive indeed to suggest a connection as that is almost offensive. What if your last name is "Chenay" would we assume you were somehow related to Dick Cheney? D.M. Murdoch is not the same as Rupert Murdock. And considering the popularity of the name, along with the fact that everything that the author stands for is in opposition to support for someone like Rupert Murdoch, it makes you look not like one that is raising an innocent and fair question, but rather like one who is attacking the person rather than the information. For instance, in that thread you don't say anything about specific problems with Acharya's work, rather because someone brings her up you say "ohh yeah, but can we really trust her anyways...I mean, maybe she's even related to Rupert Murdoch." So no, it's not a valid question because it is irrelevant. EVEN IF SHE WERE related...it doesn't matter because her actions and publishings don't show even a hint of favoritism for somebody like that.
That's my opinion.
All the best to you.
Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:12 am
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Acharya is very much a feminist but it's not like she invents facts that fit with her agenda, rather, she touches on all information she has found some of which happens to be massive atrocities against women. How is this grounds for declaring someone not credible?
Now you're twisting words like Alex Jones followers do.
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You who claim others have agendas, have an agenda yourself, but that doesn't make you not-credible.
What personal agenda do you see from me here? How do I personally benefit over anyone else from the information here? I'm pale skinned, yet fight for equality. I'm male, but currently have no qualms with Cynthia McKinney for president. I live in the US, yet I'm not bitching about illegal immigration. I'm not facing forced immunizations, or genital mutilation, but still fight these beasts. So, lets hear it.. what is my agenda?
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Let's say that zionism isn't the world's biggest problem and we know this for a fact, well, does that make information you post about WWII incorrect as well?
Apathy is a bigger problem, and Acharya imho is one who is lacking. I don't see why you harp on Zionism. Are you on Acharya's team of "attack madthumbs with the anti-semite stick"? I'm clearly against racism, and that's why I'm against Judaism.
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Now, I'm sure you are arguing that the difference is that these authors/speakers are intentionally misleading people, which if it is true, then you have a point. But in my opinion, you can't just lump people who do not agree with you as "them." It's not that simple.
Acharya denies being divorced which is fine, yet in the same post instead of denying being a Zionist, she instead plays character assassin.
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So I would say the burden is on you to explain where the major absolutely incorrect logic is in the work of Acharya.
It doesn't take a genius or a lot of work to see that the claims she makes in regards to parallels don't exist outside of incredible sources. Infact, sources I've found contradict her implications. Do I need to fill this website with an attack piece on every single person when all you have to do is a little looking for yourself?
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Viruses as we know them don't exist but yet almost any researcher you can find will likely not know this.
Tell that to the person that got herpes from me.
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Peter Duesberg believes there really is a virus that exists in people named 'HIV' but yet he doesn't detract from the general dissident thesis. He shouldn't be brushed aside because of it.
On Acharya's forum, you'll see people contest her information and get brushed aside by her. Instead of addressing claims, she'll refer to them as crack pots or mentally ill generally poking fun at them as if they didn't make a point. Is this the kind of person you want to uphold?
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However I cannot reference ONE single action Acharya has done to merit such antagonism.
Get off her forum and look for some Zeitgeist debunking / Acharya debunking stuff where she doesn't have control. Christians are reaffirming their faith by exposing the disinformation.
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Moreover, to lump her as "them" is just as ignorant as people who think Jews are a race. No different.
You're being hypocritical. Do you not take up arms over her forum painting me as a Jew hater, or is that what you're attempting to do here also?
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Do your homework as well. If you did, you wouldn't have to estimate.
Yet you come back here and continue making unsubstantiated claims, twisting words, and acting as if I'm making stuff up when you refuse to even look into the matter.
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Why wouldn't a better concocted lie work likewise?
We don't work with dishonesty here, and your character is now showing. Many wannabe Christians probably most don't even intentionally or consciously lie.
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It would, the problem is not veracity for most of these sheep. It's popularity.
Now you're making excuses for lies which help Christians cement their delusional world view?
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How many christians have you heard defend their religion by giving you some number in reference to how many people believe the same shit, or how many thousands of years it's "survived" etc. And you see it in the population data...something like 20-40% of all religions have people within them who have switched over or converted to another faith.
If you are so right about Christianity, why do you have to lie about it?
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And also, what's so wrong about having a pen name, or wanting to remain somewhat anonymous?
Did I make a big deal about it? Did I harp on and on? Did you quote the source so everyone could see what a raging jack-ass character assassin I am? No! Instead you come here and try to paint me as a bad guy constantly harping on something I questioned on a single forum that probably 10 people read.
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It's not like you lose credit because you don't let the world know your address, first and last name, DOB, etc.
I'm not the author of a book that's advertising it using credentials.
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Should you happen to have a name that sounds similar to some asshole media monger or zionist I would be very naive indeed to suggest a connection as that is almost offensive.
Take a dump or get off the pot already! I haven't seen Acharya deny being a Zionist. I haven't seen her deny being related to Rupert Murdoch, I haven't seen her properly address concerns over illegitimate claims. The supposed lies I've told about her aren't even mentioned on her forum, instead they resort to smears in response.
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What if your last name is "Chenay" would we assume you were somehow related to Dick Cheney? D.M. Murdoch is not the same as Rupert Murdock.
How is it that Wikipedia can spell Rupert Murdoch's name right but you can't?
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And considering the popularity of the name, along with the fact that everything that the author stands for is in opposition to support for someone like Rupert Murdoch, it makes you look not like one that is raising an innocent and fair question, but rather like one who is attacking the person rather than the information.
Here we go again with the Alex Jones defense.
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For instance, in that thread you don't say anything about specific problems with Acharya's work, rather because someone brings her up you say "ohh yeah, but can we really trust her anyways...I mean, maybe she's even related to Rupert Murdoch."
You're a dishonest POS who's had ample opportunity to quote me or reference your claims. (lies).
You're no longer welcome to post here.
Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:38 am
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If you had a valid point, here's all you should have needed to post:
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Acharya is a fraud and a Zionist. Many of her claims about comparative religion don't hold up. Acharya isn't even her legal name, it's a self appointed title.
Even Freethinkaluva22 can provide a reference, and he is the Amin, not a Mod.
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Here's some more character assination by our "friend" and member here madthumbs. He's over at the David Icke forums bashing her at every opportunity he gets over there.
So kudos for being able to reference (something paradigm667 couldn't do), however where is the rebuttal or denying?
Here's some more of your homework done for you:
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BTW, I've never been married, so I've never been divorced. Surprised
It never ceases to amaze how SICK people can be on this planet. First of all, is there really something wrong with the quote that this individual is making much about? I don't care for cultures that abuse women. Wow - that's shocking!
Moreover, Rupert Murdoch spells his name differently. Certainly, Murdocks and Murdochs are members of the same Scottish clan, but going back far enough, according to the "Genetic Eve" theory, we are ALL related, so the entire argument simply idiotic.
Mriana, this individual was here on this forum, as a supporter. Apparently this person discovered that I don't hate Jews, so he's now on the warpath. What is sad is that allowing depraved people to post all over the place on David's forum certainly causes it to look very base.
David's mods need to clean up their act in allowing mentally ill people to ruin his forum. But, as we know, forums all over the place are populated by mentally ill people. Here we strive to maintain a sane refuge from dementia. Other forums apparently like to encourage it.
- So she contests any relation to Rupert, and denies being divorced. Instead of denying being Zionist, she smears me as a Jew hater, an attacker, and mentally ill.
See if you can find where she originally wrote this:
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Frankly, I'm not a big Palestinian supporter either. So long as Islam and its attendant anti-woman horrors reign supreme there, I'm not interested in trumpeting its glory. Israel I don't care much for either, but at least the secular society doesn't treat its women like shit, and honor killings are not an ingrained aspect of society.
I haven't seen Acharya deny being a Zionist. I haven't seen her deny being related to Rupert Murdoch, I haven't seen her properly address concerns over illegitimate claims. The supposed lies I've told about her aren't even mentioned on her forum, instead they resort to smears in response.
