Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8244 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Islam - A Religion of Peace?
From the Koran:
Quote:
2:190-191 “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight and persecute you, but commit no aggression ... and slay them when and where you get the better of them”
2:193 “Fight them until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah.”
2:216 “Fighting has been ordained for you.”
2:244 “Fight in the cause of Allah.”
3:12 “Say to those who disbelieve, “You shall soon be overcome and gathered together to be driven towards hell.”
3:32: “Allah does not love the disbelievers.”
3:141 “And ... Allah will wipe off the disbelievers gradually.”
3:148 “Lord grant us victory over the disbelieving people.”
3:151-152 “We shall certainly strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. .. and certainly Allah had made good his promise to you when you were slaying them to pieces by his permission.”
4:74 “Let those who would prefer the hereafter to the present life, fight in the cause of Allah.”
4:76 “Fight against the friends of satan.”
4:77 “Fighting has been made binding”
4:84 “Urge on the faithful to fight.”
4:89 “If they turn back, then capture them and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take anyone of them as a friend or as a helper.”
4:91 “it is these [unbelievers] against whom we have given absolute authority.”
4:95 “Allah has indeed granted eminence to those who strive in his cause over those who stay at home.”
4:104 “Do not be slack in pursuing these disbelieving people.”
5:33 “The only recompense of those who make war against Allah and his messenger and who strive hard to create disorder in the land, is that they be executed or crucified to death, or that their hands or feet be cut off, or they be exiled.”
5:38 “As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands.”
8:12-13 “I will indeed strike terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So smite on your enemy’s necks and above these on their heads and strike off all their fingertips. This punishment is given them because they opposed Allah and his Messenger, and whosoever opposes Allah, for him, Allah is severe in punishment.”
8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies, ...
8:66 if there are a hundred of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred, and if a thousand, they will vanquish two thousand.
8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land.
8:74 Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous.
9:5 slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush
9:12-14 But if they ... taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: ... that thus they may be restrained. What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first... . fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them
9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth
9:73 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
9:86 When a chapter is revealed, enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask thee for exemption, and say: “Leave us (behind): we would be with those who sit (at home).” ... 88 But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives.
9:123 O ye who believe! fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
13:41 See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders?
15:4 Never did we destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand. 5 No people can hasten on their doom nor can they postpone (it).
If 50% of Americans are Christian (which we're obviously against), we run the risk of alienating more of our minority audience by exposing Islam. Why? -We're not doing this for numbers, income, etc. This is about exposing mind control mechanisms which are religions.
Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims...22:78
Quote:
Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise...23:1-5
Quote:
You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order that you make money, if they wish to preserve their chastity...24:33
Quote:
Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another...48:29
Quote:
Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord...55:52-66-
Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:53 am
Addicted
Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 12 Location: Adelaide, Australia
Re: Islam - A Religion of Peace?
May peace be upon you.
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"
We should also note the prohibition of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him) in relation to killing women and children in battle. Below are some hadith (teachings and sayings of the Prophet)
"It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children."
"It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He disapproved of the killing of women and children."
Madthumbs, I invite you to read the Qur'an. To me it appears that you have not gone to the Qur'an (translation) to verify or understand the verses you quoted.
I'm sorry I don't have the time to post explanations and the full context of the verses (as some of them you quoted were missing parts, which is misleading). If you want me to give you a detailed explanation of these verses then I will try my best InshaAllah (God willing).
Also I might mention. Isn't fighting oppression and injustice for the sake of God much better than fighting for the sake of nationalism? With nationalism it is limited to the one nation. While on the other hand fighting in the cause of God unites people of all races, nationalities, colours, etc. This doesn't mean we should go and kill all the disbelievers, we should live peacefully with them, just as many examples in history have shown (of disbelievers living under Muslim rule). All humans should fight against injustice and oppression whether it be by the intellectual sword of the tounge, or with the sword of force.
God has sent a mercy upon man-kind and we should be merciful slaves (of God).
An example of the mercy shown by the Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him):
There was a Jewish man who lived next door to the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him) who would throw his garbage at the door of the Prophet's house. The Prophet saw that he did not throw any rubbish at his door for a number of days, so out of his mercy, he went to visit him to see if the man was ok. The Prophet went to visit him and the man asked the Prophet for the reason of his visit. The Prophet said to him "I did not find what you usually leave at my door so I thought you may be ill and I therefore came to visit you." The man asked, "Does your religion teach you to do that, O Muhammad?" "In fact, more than that," replied the Prophet. The Jewish man went silent for a while, then said; "I bear witness that nothing has the right to be worshiped but God and I bear witness that Muhammad is God's messenger."
Madthumbs, you seem like a nice guy who cares about other people and you don't like to see people being treated with injustice. I just hope you would look a bit deeper into these things before posting.
Europe has joined the long war against radical Islamic terrorists, but for them the battles are also at home in London, Madrid, and in an ever-growing number of communities. Muslim immigrants have flooded into European ghettos, challenging the continent's tolerant culture. British journalist Rod Liddle presents a riveting account of the account of the clash between a naively elitist Europe and a rapidly expanding minority of Islamic fundamentalist.
Alt. Source:
Last edited by edisme on Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:10 am; edited 1 time in total
You do know the Arabians know how to party, but if you get the up tight kind that listen to so called stick conservative Scholars then you get conservative up tight people, be they Muslim, Jew, Hindu or Christian.
I for one do not believe for one second that Islam is out to convert the West into Islam, they way Islam converted people in the past was with music, as it has a rich history in Sufi poetry and music, people would hear the all night prayers which are like parties lets face it and say I want some of that, like a rave.
How did Islam turn almost a quarter of a Billion Indonesian into Muslims? which wars was that in?
No there was no killing, no war just a story or message and some poetry which is what the Quaran is.
I know that there are millions of good people who are religious and we can take things from there books out of context.
People should not need a book to give thanks to the Universe, and that is all God is, the Atom and the Universe the Alpha and omega.
I believe something made all this matter around us, I just don't know what the something is or how its even possible to say thank you.
If you think about it, there are fighting over who says thank you the right way!
Anyway you want to say thank you is fine by me, I think the Big Manow would accept it a thank you from a Microbe to a silly human like me.
Fitna is a film by Dutch politician Geert Wilders, leader of the Party for Freedom (PVV) in the Dutch parliament. The movie offers his views on Islam and the Qur'an. The film's title comes from the Arabic word fitna which is used to describe "disagreement and division among people", or a "test of faith in times of trial". The movie was released to the Internet on 27 March 2008 at 7PM local (Dutch) time on the video website Liveleak. Liveleak subsequently received threats to their staff, and decided to remove the video. On March 29th 2008, a banner on top of the site declared that to be a "sad day for freedom of speech on the net". The Dutch version of the movie received 1.6 million pageviews in 2 hours. The English version garnered over 1.2 million in 5 hours.
This is propaganda to get us to hate Muslims. In this website we should all know that all religions are made to get people to fight one another through government manipulations of these groups.
Liveleak should have kept the video up. People are way too emotional with religion.
I think its all clever propaganda, just to keep us apart not together as one unit, strength in numbers, we could achieve anything together but keep us apart and fighting and we will kill ourselves.
Like locking lots people up in a room and turning the lights off and killing just one of them, turn the lights back on and let the fear finish the job off as the kill each other, people really are in the dark.
I don't care if somebody has a certain way of preying to the Universe, at least they are trying to be thankful and in the only way the have been shown, they are still human, we all are before we get programmed.
Two weeks ago, The Observer revealed how 17-year-old student Rand Abdel-Qader was beaten to death by her father after becoming infatuated with a British soldier in Basra. In this remarkable interview, Abdel-Qader Ali explains why he is unrepentant - and how police backed his actions. Afif Sarhan in Basra and Caroline Davies report.
For Abdel-Qader Ali there is only one regret: that he did not kill his daughter at birth. 'If I had realised then what she would become, I would have killed her the instant her mother delivered her,' he said with no trace of remorse.
Two weeks after The Observer revealed the shocking story of Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, murdered because of her infatuation with a British soldier in Basra, southern Iraq, her father is defiant. Sitting in the front garden of his well-kept home in the city's Al-Fursi district, he remains a free man, despite having stamped on, suffocated and then stabbed his student daughter to death.
Abdel-Qader, 46, a government employee, was initially arrested but released after two hours. Astonishingly, he said, police congratulated him on what he had done. 'They are men and know what honour is,' he said.
Rand, who was studying English at Basra University, was deemed to have brought shame on her family after becoming infatuated with a British soldier, 22, known only as Paul.
She died a virgin, according to her closest friend Zeinab. Indeed, her 'relationship' with Paul, which began when she worked as a volunteer helping displaced families and he was distributing water, appears to have consisted of snatched conversations over less than four months. But the young, impressionable Rand fell in love with him, confiding her feelings and daydreams to Zeinab, 19.
It was her first youthful infatuation and it would be her last. She died on 16 March after her father discovered she had been seen in public talking to Paul, considered to be the enemy, the invader and a Christian. Though her horrified mother, Leila Hussein, called Rand's two brothers, Hassan, 23, and Haydar, 21, to restrain Abdel-Qader as he choked her with his foot on her throat, they joined in. Her shrouded corpse was then tossed into a makeshift grave without ceremony as her uncles spat on it in disgust.
'Death was the least she deserved,' said Abdel-Qader. 'I don't regret it. I had the support of all my friends who are fathers, like me, and know what she did was unacceptable to any Muslim that honours his religion,' he said.
Sitting on a chair by his front door and surrounded by the gerberas and white daisies he had planted in the family garden, Abel-Qader attempted to justify his actions.
'I don't have a daughter now, and I prefer to say that I never had one. That girl humiliated me in front of my family and friends. Speaking with a foreign solider, she lost what is the most precious thing for any woman. 'People from western countries might be shocked, but our girls are not like their daughters that can sleep with any man they want and sometimes even get pregnant without marrying. Our girls should respect their religion, their family and their bodies.
'I have only two boys from now on. That girl was a mistake in my life. I know God is blessing me for what I did,' he said, his voice swelling with pride. 'My sons are by my side, and they were men enough to help me finish the life of someone who just brought shame to ours.'
Abdel-Qader, a Shia, says he was released from the police station 'because everyone knows that honour killings sometimes are impossible not to commit'. Chillingly, he said: 'The officers were by my side during all the time I was there, congratulating me on what I had done.' It's a statement that, if true, provides an insight into how vast the gulf remains between cultures in Iraq and between the Basra police the British army that trains them.
Sources have indicated that Abdel-Qader, who works in the health department, has been asked to leave because of the bad publicity, yet he will continue to draw a salary.
And it has been alleged by one senior unnamed official in the Basra governorate that he has received financial support by a local politician to enable him to 'disappear' to Jordan for a few weeks, 'until the story has been forgotten' - the usual practice in the 30-plus cases of 'honour' killings that have been registered since January alone.
Such treatment seems common in Basra, where militias have partial control, especially in the districts on the outskirts where Abdel-Qader lives.
While government security forces and British troops have control over the centre, around the fringes militants can still be seen everywhere on the streets or at the checkpoints they have erected. And they have imposed strict laws of behaviour for all the local people, including what clothing should be worn and what religious practices should be observed. There are reports of men having their hands cut off for looting and women being killed for prostitution.
Homosexuality is punishable by death, a sentence Abdel-Qader approves of with a passion. 'I have alerted my two sons. They will have the same end [as Rand] if they become contaminated with any gay relationship. These crimes deserve death - death in the name of God,' he said.
He said his daughter's 'bad genes were passed on from her mother'. Rand's mother, 41, remains in hiding after divorcing her husband in the immediate aftermath of the killing, living in fear of retribution from his family. She also still bears the scars of the severe beating he inflicted on her, breaking her arm in the process, when she told him she was going. 'They cannot accept me leaving him. When I first left I went to a cousin's home, but every day they were delivering notes to my door saying I was a prostitute and deserved the same death as Rand,' she said.
'She was killed by animals. Every night when go to bed I remember the face of Rand calling for help while her father and brothers ended her life,' she said, tears streaming down her face.
She was nervous, clearly terrified of being found, and her eyes constantly turned towards the window as she spoke. 'Rand told me about the soldier, but she swore it was just a friendship.
'She said she spoke with him because she was the only English speaker. I raised her in a religious manner and she never went out alone until she joined the university and then later when she was doing aid work.
'Even now, I cannot believe my ex-husband was able to kill our daughter. He wasn't a bad person. During our 24 years of marriage, he was never aggressive. But on that day, he was a different person.'
The mother is now trying to raise enough money to escape abroad. 'I miss my two boys,' she said. 'But they have sent a message saying that I am wrong for defending Rand and that I should go back home and live like a blessed Muslim woman,' said Leila, who is now volunteering with a local organisation campaigning for better protection for women in Basra.
One of those running the organisation, who did not want to be identified, said that Rand's case was similar to so many reported in Basra, with the only difference being she was in love with a foreigner, rather than an Iraqi.
'There isn't too much to say. Rand is dead. It is a tragedy and will be a tragedy for many other families in Iraq in the days to come.
'According to information we have been given, some from Rand's colleague, we have doubts that her love was reciprocated. We have the impression that Rand was in love, but the English soldier wasn't. But, for a girl to be paid nice compliments about her beauty and her intelligence, it was enough for her to think she was in love.
'She isn't here any more for her mother to ask any of the questions she would like to. Rand's case had repercussions because she fell in love with a foreigner. But what about the other girls murdered through "honour" killings because they fell in love with some of a different sect, or lost their virginity, or were forced to become prostitutes?'
Rand's mother used to call her 'Rose'. 'That was my nickname for her because when she was born she was so beautiful,' she said.
'Now, my lovely Rose is in her grave. But, God will make her father pay, either in this world ... or in the world after.'
To all you internet Muslims and Lied to and confused African-Americans who like to bring up the USA's African slave hx, I say this: Compare the USA's short Colonial slave hx to that of the hx of Arabs (Islamic and Pre-Islamic) who colonized North and East Africa, who hunted, enslaved, tortured and killed Ethnic Africans for several thousands of years before the same geographical ARABS started/opened the slave trade to Colonial America who merely (in comparison) bought slaves for servitude.
M.E. Arabs have a history of thousands of years of human slavery, which even continues today in the M.E.'s "MODERN WORLD."
So do us all a favor and take THE WHOLE STORY into account before you ever post your blame, blaming Colonial America entirely. THE WHOLE STORY explains WHY, WHEN, WHERE and WHO.
The Koran (Quran) allows men to beat their wifes, and here are the rules. After watching this, you will no longer be able to claim ignorance of Islam.
QURAN 4:34 - "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."
From the streets of European cities, where protesting Muslims call for war to take women as "war booty", to the Sharia Courts of Nigeria, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, Sharia law makes convicting a man for rape impossible, because of the need for 4 male(!) witnesses after the "crime" of BEING RAPED.
This leads to massive under-reporting of rape in these countries. Muslims will point to the numbers of rapes in the USA, where rape within marriage is a crime, as is wife beating.
I think the West bowing to Islam will never happen and is simply a fear mongering tactic by propagandists. However the video was good because it mentioned how Muslim scriptures work to condone this type of behavior.
Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:37 pm
alexclaton VIP
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 688 Location: Hell on earth
i like how he had to read 3-4 diff books to figure what the fukk the "holy" book was trying to say... shows that islam is even more vague then the other dumb ass religions... ALL religions commit horrible atrocities and should be abolished.... the fact is islam is shit, just like christianity and judaism , ALL religions need to be dealt with and all religious fukkwads who feel its ok to rape,murder and mistreat others simply cuz their imaginary friend says its ok to do so should be killed on sight without hesitation... im saying the fundamentalists/extremists should be killed not the retards who simply say they believe so they can fit into a retarded group of peers, as most religious idiots are just worthless sheep who cant really do much, the extremists on the other hand do massive harm to people daily..
i like how he had to read 3-4 diff books to figure what the fukk the "holy" book was trying to say... shows that islam is even more vague then the other dumb ass religions...
It's because so many people have their own opinions which have been taught as fact, its a perversion of the original poetry which is in the Quran.
Quote:
ALL religions commit horrible atrocities and should be abolished...
Religion has never killed a single person, people kill people, they will use anything to justify it.
You may not know anything about Islam or the Prophet Mohammed but he brought peace to a region that was a long standing war zone, think of South LA gangs and multiply that by 1000, has anybody been able to fix this Gang warfare? imagine the kind of person who could unify these gangs and bring peace and you have the founder of Islam again.[/quote]
