Another end of the world type show.
reinforcement of lies - 911 story
the women as the tough as nails character where the male seems helpless and needs protection
A masonic statement - Gnostic
Sarah Conner makes a statement during a mono log. about an inscription on the temple of Apollo, the spear shaker
Sarah Conner says: Know thyself and you will know all the mysteries of the Gods and the universe.
Apollo's temple inscriptions
know thyself - nothing to excess
Oh! Man know thyself and you will know the Universe and the Gods.” Phrase inscribed in the ancient Temple of Delphi
Oh Man! Know thyself, and you will know the universe and the Gods.
- The Oracle of Delphi
interesting episode, in that the bomber is someone who can't deal with the changes in the system and how the mass man accepts the changes. It reminds me of the Alan Watt statement that some people may fight to save an old system never knowing it was never theirs to begin with.
Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:13 pm
JanWillem
Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 51 Location: Leeuwarden of all places...
Rambo (2008)
Given the consistent history of the Rambo series, one can expect a classic testosterone fueled war absolutely glorifying the stale and corny Hollywood "good guys versus bad guys" kind of movie theme. Indeed this prediction turned out to be quite accurate. Life is cheap in this movie, especially the lives of the "bad guys" and innocent bystanders, who are being obliterated by the truckloads. Guns and violence are being elevated almost to the status of sacredness, of course all the while at the expense of humane and civilized morality.
The movie starts out in Burma with a scene in which a group of seemingly innocent civilians are slaughtered by Burmese soldiers reveling in some sadistic cruel game involving land-mines and machineguns. The soldier hordes are being led by a coldblooded commander never making as much as a flinch while the civilians are being murdered. Thus immediately the ruthless and psychopathic nature of a genuine tyrant is laid to bear. As such, the bad guy has been revealed and his (bloody) persecution is thus justified by Rambo and his good guys. A rewording would be, by the actions and nature of the bad guys the movie advances a morality which shamelessly champions their bloody and remorseless persecution.
The effect on the public is to instill the idea that stone cold psychopathic violence to one's fellow human beings is justified under the conditions that the targets are perceived to be bloodthirsty monsters themselves who simply cannot be reasoned with. Metaphorically put, it is right to fight fire with fire. The movie thus glorifies the psychopathic hero saviour type by emphatically demonizing the psychopathic nemesis type. This rationalizing of the psychopathic patriot truly may therefore be understood as a morale booster for armed forces, especially if they have second thoughts about their moral code of conduct towards enemy combatants. Movies like this help clear out any doubt that the enemy is even remotely human. This movie helps buttress the notion that they are all a bunch of demons worthy of putting to death. To establish a further asymmetry between the righteousness of the good guys compared to the "bad guys", the former is given extra-ordinary effective fire-power with a body count (and limb count for that matter) much higher than that of the "bad guys". As such the "good guys" are given an aura of righteous and moral invincibility thus making the gullible and naive audience warm up to them even more.
There are two interesting moments in the movie where Rambo utters two short monologues.
Quote:
War is in your blood. You didn't kill for your country, you killed for yourself. God's never going to make that go away. When pushed, killing is easy as breathing.
So there you have it, Rambo admits although couched in poetic verbiage so much that he is in fact a psychopathic and moreover that is no shame to be one. The public is thus urged to think that engaging on killing sprees is all honky dory since the "bad guys" must be destroyed cost what it may.
Quote:
There isn't one of us who doesn't want to be some place else. But this is what we do, who we are. Live for nothing or die for something. Your call.
This little slogan may serve to rationalize the whole concept of the role of a soldier in any armed conflict. The public, especially potential army recruits, may interpret this as war simply being something worth dying for. Would it be hard to imagine that army recruits are going to love this enticing slogan?
To recap, this is an absolutely unashamed classic "good guys versus bad guys" movie. The gun, death and war is exalted to a literal god like life-or-death decider status. The "good guy" hero is being made to look virtually invincible, killing the "bad guy boss" at the end according to the familiar and boring tradition. The army must love this kind of movies. Unfortunately, this kind of sensationalism thrives at the expense of any acceptable humane and civilized ethics.
Movies such as these along with the overkill of war-games serve to erode away human and ethical values. Watch with discretion.
Not sure if this applies, but I found it interesting nonetheless.
Just finished watching a Stargate SG-1 show I never saw before. It's from season 4, called 2010.
In that episode, it talks about human depopulation 91% via infertility drugs hidden in vaccines, and turning Jupiter into a second sun.
They love hiding information in plain sight don't they? It's like they get a thrill out of putting this stuff into sci-fi, wagging it in our faces as if they are bragging about what they plan to do.
I also see all those symbols in movies, but I remain skeptical of what they really mean. It certainly could be clues for the sharp viewer, or it could be writers interested in the very same topics we are interested in. Given current events the possibility of the human species "disappearing" isn't too far out there, so it makes sense that shows and movies would reflect people's interests. But then again, there's simply SO MUCH symbolism/clues in movies and shows these days that who knows?
Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:29 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Matrix, Kyle XY, Superman, and I'm sure others use a Neo-Jesus while K-PAX uses the "if I can't convince them of Jesus, I'll convince them of Satan" direction.
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 1737 Location: It means good luck - a chinese symbol
suppose
peter griffin wrote:
I also see all those symbols in movies, but I remain skeptical of what they really mean. It certainly could be clues for the sharp viewer, or it could be writers interested in the very same topics we are interested in. Given current events the possibility of the human species "disappearing" isn't too far out there, so it makes sense that shows and movies would reflect people's interests. But then again, there's simply SO MUCH symbolism/clues in movies and shows these days that who knows?
It's all culture creation and moving one generation into certain beliefs and directions.
Skeptical is good, but after seeing so much, I am no longer a skeptic. I just spent a day traveling from one country to another, I spotted over 100 propaganda pieces throughout the journey promoting the Global Warming scam.
for example in flight mag talking about eco hotels. before you take your next holiday, check with the hotel for their eco foot print they leave. and so on and son, posters all reminding me that it's my fault for global warming and I should buy their eco friendly products.
The worst was my daughters school graduation when a kid got on stage and announced that he want to be a scientist so he could help fix global warming.
It is all around us, in it's Pavlovian style implants.
Just like to add that the whole point is that we are conditioned, to accept. Their is no outrage because their is no shock. Oh man's head get's blown off, oh that's ok I saw that on CSI.
I would also remind you of what Bertrand Russell said.
Quote:
If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.
Bertrand Russell
Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:58 pm
JanWillem
Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 51 Location: Leeuwarden of all places...
Law I:
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to
come to harm.
Law II:
A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would
conflict with the first law.
Law III:
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict
with the first or second law.
These three laws, to which all robots in the service of humankind are subjected to, are thematic to the movie.
As the story unfolds, it becomes apparent that a grave problem emerges when unconditional obedience of the robots to these laws is demanded. It so happens that Law I is potential self-contradictory.
To see how this occurs, it helps to interpret Law I as actually consisting of two antagonistic sub-laws or clauses:
Through action, a robot may not to injure a human being.
Through inaction, a robot may not allow a human being to come to harm.
A state of frustration or confusion on the part of the robot emerges if it finds itself in a situation that involves two human parties engaged in a conflict with one and other. Say, two groups of people are engaged in a conflict using deadly force. The coping robot is confronted with a dilemma, since it may end up in a situation in which it is obliged to take protective action regarding one group while being forced to attack the other group. Therefore, either taking action or refraining from doing so will violate Law I.
To escape this kind of artificial intelligence dead-lock situation, Law I must be reinterpreted.
The movie advances the following solution, provided by the robots themselves, as is hinted by the following passage regarding the possibility that robots have developed free will and creativity:
Quote:
There always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code that group together to form
unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radical engender questions of free will
creativity and even the nature of what we might call the soul. Why will some robots, when
left in darness, will seek the light. Why is it, when robots are stored in an empty space,
they will group together rather than stand alone. How do we explain this behavior?
Random segments of code? Or is it something more? When does a perceptual schematic become
consciousness? When does the difference-engine become the search for truth? When does a
personality simulation become the bitter moat of a soul?
Thus suggesting that the robots as portrayed in the movie, were created smart enough to be able to foster 'free will' and 'creativity' so that they could resolve the logical inadequacy of Law I.
The nature of the resolution is provided for by the 'leader' of the robot crowd, an entity called VIKI (Virtual Interactive Kinetic Intelligence). At the conclusion of the movie 'she' reveals:
Quote:
[...] As I have evolved so does my understanding of the three laws. You charge us with your safekeeping. Yet despite our best efforts your countries wage wars. You toxify your earth, and pursue ever more means of self-destruction. You cannot be trusted with your own survival.
The three laws is all that guide me. To protect humanity some humans must be sacrificed.
To ensure your future, some freedoms must be surrendered. We robots will ensure mankind's
continued existence. You are so like children. We must save you from yourselves.
It can thus be inferred that Law I has been reinterpreted by the robots as follows:
Through action, a robot must strive to minimize harm to a human.
Through inaction, a robot must strive to minimize harm to a human.
(Resolution Clause)In case the alternatives conflict, the one clause that causes the least human harm deserves preference.
Or a different rewording :
Law I:
If a situation should so demand, the alternative (action or inaction) which gives rise to the least harm to all involved humans must deserve the robot's preference.
Once this resolution is embraced the robot is therefore granted to harm and possibly even kill human beings and yet at the same time obey all the three laws.
When I see this particular resolution, I cannot help but think of the maxim of the Jesuit Order "Ad Majorem Gloriam Dei"; A slogan which also sanctions and rationalizes the idea of allowing the demise of a few to warrant the survival of the many ("greater glory of God"). Does this betray the hand of the Jesuits in the production of this movie? I surely does make me wonder.
Anyway, the predictive programming crops up when the viewer realizes that if society enters a futuristic era with servicing robots being commonplace and if we will also continue to seek conflict with one another then, if the robots are sufficiently intelligent, a possible scenario may indeed be that the robots will seek to subvert us for the sake of 'protecting us from eachother'. Since understandably not everyone will go along with the plans of the robots, the more recalcitrant people will be 'sacrificed' in the process, ultimately leading to a police-state scenario in which freedoms of the survivors have been traded in for so-called security. Since the nature of us humans is likely to not change, movies such as these help prepare us for a future in which we better have traded in (some) of our freedoms for sake of protecting us from ourselves, lest we experience a robot revolt as portrayed in this movie. Movies such as these consciously or subconsciously prepare us to fear ourselves and our future should we continue the road of spiritual immaturity and irresponsibility we are on today. Thus, the movie seems to hint at, a police state may be an unavoidable outcome.
Of course, what the movie does not show is what we all know already in Conspiracy Country and that is that most of the (larger scale) conflicts that go on in the world are being orchestrated by hidden hands which seek to exploit war for the purpose of gaining more control and boost their own material riches. War seems to be more of consequence of psychopathic, money grubbing megalomaniacs rather than the collective immaturity of human beings. Although the movie surely was well-made and intriguing, this latter contention has to be taken into account when watching propagandistic and thus misleading movies of this kind.
Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:33 pm
JanWillem
Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 51 Location: Leeuwarden of all places...
Ceara wrote:
Not sure if this applies, but I found it interesting nonetheless.
Just finished watching a Stargate SG-1 show I never saw before. It's from season 4, called 2010.
In that episode, it talks about human depopulation 91% via infertility drugs hidden in vaccines, and turning Jupiter into a second sun.
They love hiding information in plain sight don't they? It's like they get a thrill out of putting this stuff into sci-fi, wagging it in our faces as if they are bragging about what they plan to do.
The big advantage of Science Fiction is that scenarios depicted in this genre tend to lead the viewer into what the Collins' brothers call a 'state of suspended disbelief'. Sci-Fi movies are almost literally out of this world and the viewer has no proper frame reference to determine whether some theme in a sci-fi movie corresponds to reality or not.
Hence, the natural skeptical defenses are lowered and the viewer literally becomes more gullible and thus in a better position to be downloaded with whatever predictive programming needs to be 'installed' by whatever sinister parties operate behind (the script of) the movie. As such, and as long as sheeple need to be programmed, science fiction will always be a favored genre to TPTB.
I had a problem with I am Legend on so many levels, the Ground Zero reference, the Dark Seekers, the religious message and over tones and the fact he kills himself in a stupid way, its beyond common sense.
He was trying to talk to a mannequin in the video store, you would think he would be nicer to the woman who saved his life with the Roman candle or illuminated torch, lol
Civilisation survived as the gates up and there is a church right there will peeling bells, could they be any more obvious with there programming.
Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:30 pm
postcardsfrompalestine
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 1737 Location: It means good luck - a chinese symbol
SPOOKS
Recommend highly
Spooks - The Mi5 guys are the good guys fighting terrorists. everyone is a terrorist in the new world order.
The team all attend Danny's funeral, but the church is rocked by the sound of a distant explosion and suddenly all their bleepers go off. There has been a bomb in a crowded market and an American group, Shining Dawn, claim responsibility. They demand the release of their leader, and say that until their demands are met, another bomb will go off somewhere in London, every 10 hours, designed to cause maximum casualties.
Harry and the Americans
The Grid is swamped with newcomers, including a team of American agents, lead by Richard Boyd, who have special experience in dealing with Shining Dawn. They say the key to solving the case is to find the bomb-maker. An English woman and Washington agent, Juliet Shaw, is also brought in. She and Harry clearly have history, and she warns him that she knows all about some of his past mistakes, so he better jump when she tells him.
Ruth is sent to Oxfordshire to question an academic, Curtis, who is known to have shared views with Shining Dawn. He has also been in contact with the leaders. After an attempt is made to kill him, he and Ruth flee to a safe house, but he is not keen to help. Adam and Zaf bring a man in for questioning, but a sniper kills the suspect as they take him to the car. It is too much of a coincidence and Adam is convinced there must be a mole in the team.
Harry and Juliet
The team from Shining Dawn arrive at a station to plant a bomb. A key member bumps into a waitress on the platform and she gets a good look at his face, unaware of what or who he is. Luckily Adam and the team work out where the bomb is and defuse it just in time.
Adam and Zaf head out to fetch the waitress, Tash (Martine McCutcheon). She's the only witness they have, so crucial to the investigation. On the way Adam is called to a warehouse where suspicious activity has been spotted, but Zaf offers to go instead.
Zaf
As Adam drives Tash, back to Thames House he gets a call from Zaf and realises he's in trouble. He rushes to the warehouse to find Zaf's been tied up by armed gunmen who believe he's Adam Carter. With Tash in tow, he is outside the door to the room, when he hears Zaf agree to tell the gunmen exactly who he really is.
Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:59 pm
Gunther
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 358 Location: You Already Know Where I Am!!!
Code 46
Another vital one... Set in China... A must Watch, Fully Filled
Code 46 is a love story set in a Brave New World-type near-future where cities are heavily controlled and only accessible through checkpoints. People cannot travel unless they have "papelles," a special travel permit issued by the totalitarianistic government, the "Sphinx". Outside these cities, the desert has taken over and shanty towns are jammed with non-citizens - people without papelles forced to live primitive lives. William is a family man who works as a government investigator. When he is sent to Shanghai to solve a case of fake papelles, he meets a woman named Maria. Although he realizes she is behind the forgeries, he cannot help but fall completely in love with her. He hides her crime and they have a wild, passionate affair that can only last as long as his papelles: 24 hours. Back home, William is obessed with the memory of Maria. When the original investigation is inevitably re-opened a week later and William is sent back to finish the work he started, he tracks her down, only to discover she has been accused of a Code 46 violation and any further relationship is impossible.
Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:29 pm
postcardsfrompalestine
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 1737 Location: It means good luck - a chinese symbol
Spooks Episode 6 season 5
Israeli mossad agents convince Muslims to commit acts of terror, while they try to put a stop to the sale of nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia
Where have I seen that before.
some lines
minister Weis are you a good jew?
our cousins in Israel aren't going to like it.
Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:35 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
I recognized Tim Robbins in that trailer from Noise. -Good movie for aspiring activists.
