My personal views concerning race and culture. The crux of the argument is that culture can be manipulated and comes as a product of one's surroundings, circumstance and the whims of one's rulers. While there are physical, mental and possibly even emotional differences between the races, it is clear that race does not and cannot wholly dictate behavior. Therefore, to say "the nature of a race" or "culture of a race", becomes illusory and too broad to be useful in judging an individual's worth or characteristics. Forced separation is exposed as anti-individualistic, anti-aesthetic, collectivist and therefore communist (i.e., forced sameness). The so-called "nature of a race" seems more a product of culture, and culture is a product of culture creators. Fashion, fads, television, Hollywood, politicians and religious leaders serve to show that culture comes from the guiding hand of a few, rather than the majority; the totality of a race. The axiom 'blame the shepherds, not the sheep' shines through.
[color=red]Did you guys have something to do with the making of this video? If so, nice job. Discussing race is one of my hobbies so I found the vid interesting and entertaining...and boring. Most of the issues raised and points illustrated are so yesterday, in my opinion. I also have criticisms of the scientific methods employed to demonstrate racial prejudice.
First, the nature of racism. The usual diatribe about white male dominated colonialism soooo misses the mark. White domination is the result of a process, not the cause of that process. Tribalism is the cause. Racism has been around only since transportation technologies brought people of varying ethnicities into regular contact with each other. Tribalism has been around much longer than that, originating in Darwinian survival codes. And since scientists have proven that there is no physiological basis for this false notion of "race" anyway, racism is basically nothing but a useless word, and a misguiding one at that - misguiding people into believing that "racism" is some special form of behavior unique to white males.
White oppression is only the latest fashion in humanity's long history, around only since the invention of the printing press, which enabled us whities to rapidly share and develop EVERY technology we would use to eventually dominate the globe. Being so dominant over the last 500 years (a blink in the eye of human history), it's falsely lauded as a mysterious white masterminded priviledge by both white supremacists and the ethnic victims who despise it.
White tribalism and its ramifications are, naturally, on the cover of every magazine, dominating our tastes, language, and virtually all opinion. It's by far the most potent form of tribalism in the world today. But its attributes are not specific to white people.
Cultures from all over the globe demonstrate the same oppressive tendencies of white-male domination within their own populations. Domination is a Darwinian function, so it applies to us all. Chinese warlords butchered each other for three-hundred years during the Warring States Period in China. Sunni and Shia Muslims have been at it for centuries. Catholics and Protestants killed each other for years in northern Ireland. In Rwanda, one tribe literally chopped the other tribe to bits by the hundreds of thousands. Domination is a method of acquiring and maintaining power, in whatever environment you're in. White domination is merely the current style which we see everywhere because of its prevalence. But there is no difference between white people dominating the globe and Shaka Zulu and his quest to dominate the southern regions of south Africa. Its merely tribes expanding their Darwinian influence in their environment. If a billionaire on Wall St. can destroy the careers of everyone in his path while taking over a corporation so he can chop it up and sell the pieces - what of the gangbanger in Baltimore doing the same thing? There is no such thing as race. Nearly all discussions about race are ill-informed. It's all about power.
There's much more on this, but I'd like to see some feedback at this juncture. Peace.
Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:29 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
A member / Editor here wrote the article, then put together a video for it. He goes under the nick: TotalitarianTipToe. He hasn't been around in a while, and last I knew he was going to be very busy.
Excellent thinking, tuchin, and well written at that. Please continue providing your input if you wish. (However, I recommend avoiding colored text in these forums.)
I have come to disagree with TTT overtime as well. I think at the time I was to attached to the emotional aspects of that video and did not have the intellectual maturity to critique his work.
You brought up an issue that has been bothering me as of late. Race, ethnicity and CULT-ure is used to create terrible violence towards other human beings.
However one can break the bonds of tribalism if taught to do so at an early age. I think knowing this truth we have a responsibility to raise offspring that do not care about these divisions but start judging human beings at an individual basis based on quality of personality and thoughts and not factors that ultimately do not matter.
You brought up an issue that has been bothering me as of late. Race, ethnicity and CULT-ure is used to create terrible violence towards other human beings.
Agreed. The way I think of it is like this: Any difference between the people of this planet, however unimportant, will be used against the people for the benefit of the ones who wish to manipulate them. As a method of generating arms sales, to the taking of land and resources, to population reduction methods, to the perpetual weakening of a people: "divide and conquer" unfortunately works.
Heh , even I have come to disagree with a lot of that old-self's views. If that article was perfect, then it would have been fine-tuned to get a point across; which of course would immediately signal a bias and lack of credibility. Nothing in life is perfect....and that piece of work is far from perfect. A lot of its points are easy to debunk while others are not.
Heck even I, now, can debunk many of its points...and I'm sure a lot of other peeps, not just hailing from this site have already done so. You see I consider myself a student of life, and every endeavor I take on is a learning experience filled with trial and error. That research was simply information based on a consistent observable pattern that I intuitively knew about in the real world and decided to compile / put together for public scrutiny. That being said, that research is -- for the most part -- far more accurate than it is not.
Additionally, I also don't believe in the concept of different human "races". I only see one people, the human people. But the racism paradigm does exist, but it only exists because humanity has for the large part, bought into divisional concepts that serve as impetus for "chosenness" based ideologies. These "chosenness" based ideologies are not only being enforced in politics, religion, economics, education, science, business, etc...., but they are also being done so in media and culture. The purpose of the video and article was to expose those areas where the globally observable pattern of consistency is, simply put, an axiom.
Anyways, I came back to this site because I had this intuition to post in it today. Frankly, I didn't outwardly expect to still see this article in the front page for discussion lol. I guess my intuition served me correct.
Note: Since this article is intended to expose Racism and all of its constituents, I therefore give permission for absolutely anyone to add their own research pertaining to the subject matter at hand. If you have come across a widely consistent pattern of racism favoring and / or subjugating any social group deemed a "race", please feel free to let MadThumbs know that you want your post included in the official article (not just this thread). I also give MadThumbs the permission to remove my name as the single author of this article. I encourage instead, that my name only be relevant to my own research which I already provided, but not for the entire article itself. The article itself is now to be presented in a way that would incorporate any researcher's findings, not just mine.
Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:08 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
I think it would be simpler if you wanted to include a disclaimer at the top of it with a link to this thread, or a certain point in the thread.
I think it would be simpler if you wanted to include a disclaimer at the top of it with a link to this thread, or a certain point in the thread.
Yep, thanks dude.
Anyways I still won't regularly post in the forums. I'm too washed up to participate in such high level intellectual exchanges. Also I'm done with this particular topic. I no longer have the emotional drive to address it. I'd rather have others try to improve it or pick it apart. Either way is fine with me.
Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:22 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
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I'm too washed up to participate in such high level intellectual exchanges.
I think most here have been developing in that regard. A good portion of us were probably stuck in a rut listening to Alex Jones or some other diversion at one time or another. We're a group of people learning from each other, and I think your input is valued.
Don't forget that the person that wrote this:
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I have come to disagree with TTT overtime as well.
- was the same person that helped influence me to give the article it's own page after high praises.
The page itself has received an incredible amount of hits according to stat counter:
The largest number is for the forum (as a whole), second is for the vlog (whole), third is the homepage before it was redirected, 4th is the Alex Jones page, then the page that David Icke linked to multiple times. Whether accurate or not, you reached a lot of people with an important topic.
Just this past week, a customer in drive-thru where I work commented to a co-worker about how he hadn't seen his son in a long time because he's dating a "nigger". She got very upset and let him know she was dating a mulatto. I feel like that person is destroying his own life out of ignorance. I think the work you've done whether perfect or not, helps raise awareness, and may help reduce this kind of self destruction.
I'd like to know if edisme has any ideas for, or would like to collaborate on the article?
Edisme, I remember him. He deserves as much credit as you and me for promoting that article / video research in this site as well as across the internet. Without him the subject matter wouldn't have generated as much awareness as it did / does.
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I think the work you've done whether perfect or not, helps raise awareness...
Same goes for you, Edisme, and the rest of the OD community.
I've certainly thought about this issue as of late. I've had to examine both sides of the argument to get a better understanding and mold my philosophy in a way that promotes understanding between people. I'll most likely have to bring about the information in snippets as I don't have as much time as I use to. I certainly want to see this thread develop so the conclusion becomes as objectively rational as possible.
Here's the summary in case you don't want to hear all that. If you attack people as a collective they will respond as a collective. Racism is the smokescreen to get people to exploit one another.
Thanks for the info Edisme. I agree with what you say.
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Nice to see you back TTT.
I never left. I only stopped posting because I had to do a lot of things that demanded a lot of my time. For the past year, I've been lurking the site at an average rate of twice a month for learning / research purposes.
If that article was perfect, then it would have been fine-tuned to get a point across; which of course would immediately signal a bias and lack of credibility. Nothing in life is perfect....and that piece of work is far from perfect. A lot of its points are easy to debunk while others are not.
He deserves as much credit as you and me for promoting that article / video research in this site as well as across the internet. Without him the subject matter wouldn't have generated as much awareness as it did / does.
