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I couldn't believe this when I read it. This US Government report actually states that criticism of Israeli policy is anti-semitism. It actually states that comparing Israeli treatment of Palestinians to Nazi treatment of Jews is anti-semitic. It lays out some groundwork in justification of attacks on Iran and Syria. It constantly uses anti-semitism and anti-zionism interchangeably. There's too much, it's unbelievable, reading it I felt like I was in a movie about crazy conspiracy theories. This document takes the cake.

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In response to rising anti-Semitism worldwide, including in some of the strongest democracies, the U.S. Congress passed the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act of 2004. On October 16, 2004, President George W. Bush signed the legislation into law (Public Law 108-332).................


...................Anti-Semitic rhetoric, conspiracy theories, and other propaganda circulate widely and rapidly by satellite television, radio, and the Internet.............


................Traditional forms of anti-Semitism persist and can be found across the globe. Classic anti-Semitic screeds, such as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion..............

..............Comparing contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis is increasingly commonplace. Anti-Semitism couched as criticism of Zionism or Israel often escapes condemnation since it can be more subtle than traditional forms of anti-Semitism, and promoting anti-Semitic attitudes may not be the conscious intent of the purveyor. Israel’s policies and practices must be subject to responsible criticism and scrutiny to the same degree as those of any other country..............

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Make no mistake about it. There are problems on both sides of this issue. Jews think they are victims and yet have a superiority complex due to their book(s). The believers of the bible that are not jews have an inferiority complex due to this book and a state (Germany) which helped damage humanity more due to the crimes of this state as well as America, Britain and Russia.
Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:17 am
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Ok, so I've gone through all the posts in this thread, although I haven't watched all the videos. But here's my problem, I fail to see how Zionism is the top of the pyramid if you will. How is it related to modern Freemasonry (aside from the fact that both stem from ancient religion), and for what purpose? I can clearly see the manipulation and the support of anti-semitism by Zionists in order to help the Zionist cause, but how does it, if it does at all, tie in with water fluoridation, GM food, sterilization, the emerging world police state, etc?

Some people seem to classify Zionism as the root cause of ALL the problems and so-called conspiracies, I can't seem to make that connection. Israel is there, it's not leaving, it is winning. If a creation of a Jewish state is the goal they've accomplished their goal. How does that relate to trampling the Constitution of the US and the "new world order", to creating a new totalitarian society, to Freemasonry's stated goal of "perfecting humanity"? Can someone show me these alleged connections? Is Zionism about ruling the world, about eliminating religion, about destruction of the individual?

If you go by the supposed letter from Albert Pike to Mazzini "The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other." That makes it seem like Zionism is to be used by an even higher power.
Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:12 pm
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How is it related to modern Freemasonry (aside from the fact that both stem from ancient religion)


I fail to see any hard evidence that freemasonry is a key player in anything. It's like any other denomination or spin off in that it contributes to the problem.

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but how does it, if it does at all, tie in with water fluoridation, GM food, sterilization, the emerging world police state, etc?


Fluoridation apparently is used to induce apathy (in this case to the plight of Palestinians). It could also just be a side effect of an industry looking for a way to dispose of toxic waste without having to pay. I can't say that GM food is a Zionist conspiracy, but it may be worth considering the Jewish / Christian / whatever they branch off into, dietary laws. The so called emerging world police state is Christian scaremongering based on their biblical prophecies. The world is already a police state when green peace can go interfere with Japanese whaling boats. The best slaves are the ones that don't realize they're enslaved (tax payers fit the bill).

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Some people seem to classify Zionism as the root cause of ALL the problems and so-called conspiracies


Right, and that would be way too far reaching. It is however a major issue with religion in general contributing to most of the crimes against humanity.

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I can't seem to make that connection. Israel is there, it's not leaving, it is winning.


I've said that no one wins a war, and no one wins a fight, but this should be reconsidered if you can get your enemies to fight your enemies. Jews are victims of Zionism as well.

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Is Zionism about ruling the world, about eliminating religion, about destruction of the individual?


Zionism is too dependent on religion. We know that when there is a war on something: it's reverse psychology to support it. They raise the drinking age and produce more teen drunks. They criminalize marijuana use to make it more popular. I don't think Zionism is much different from what they did to Native Americans, and Australian Aborigines. In all cases, didn't they use religion and propaganda to validate their actions?

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If you go by the supposed letter from Albert Pike to Mazzini "The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other." That makes it seem like Zionism is to be used by an ever higher power.


As I've said: Jews are victims also. One thing to note, and I'm sure you already know this. For new readers: there is no such thing as a Jewish race. It's simply a racist religion. Religion is brainwashing, mind control, induced mental illness, etc. I believe the best thing we can do is to come up with a way to end religion, and after that nationalism.
Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:37 pm
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I fail to see any hard evidence that freemasonry is a key player in anything. It's like any other denomination or spin off in that it contributes to the problem.


Spin off or denomination of what? And you're right, there isn't really and empirical evidence, but reading Albert Pike (Morals and Dogma) and combining his writings with the fact that Freemasons are involved in almost everything, it makes me think there is more to them than meets the eye.

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Jews are victims also. One thing to note, and I'm sure you already know this. For new readers: there is no such thing as a Jewish race. It's simply a racist religion. Religion is brainwashing, mind control, induced mental illness, etc. I believe the best thing we can do is to come up with a way to end religion, and after that nationalism.


Perhaps you know more about this than me, do people who claim that Jews are a race claim that all Jewish people are direct descendants of the Hebrews of the Bible? How else could they claim to be a race?
Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:23 pm
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peter griffin wrote:
Spin off or denomination of what? And you're right, there isn't really and empirical evidence, but reading Albert Pike (Morals and Dogma) and combining his writings with the fact that Freemasons are involved in almost everything, it makes me think there is more to them than meets the eye.

The catholic church are involved in everything also and a lot of the same conspiracy shit is said about them as the free masons... basically just because a group (there's actually more then one) is involved in everything doesn't mean they run everything. that's like saying because everyone uses the phone system that phone companies run all the businesses and people who use their lines...

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Perhaps you know more about this than me, do people who claim that Jews are a race claim that all Jewish people are direct descendants of the Hebrews of the Bible? How else could they claim to be a race?

race/ethnicity is not a choice! if they are of hebrew decent then why not just call themselves hebrew? also just because jews choose to fuk other jews doesn't make them a race either, that's like saying because muslims only sleep with other muslims that they are a race...

fact is religion does NOT equal race. as far as the jews go, they simply label their religion a race so they can use "the race card" and since most of them are pale(white) it doesn't really work unless they label themselves something other then white/caucasian.

whats sad is that people are so hung up on race (including so called "non-racists") that it actually has great affect, an example ill use is the holocaust, when mentioned people immediately think "jews were murdered" not "human beings (many of which were NOT jewish) were murdered" and its this disconnect that causes lots of problems, and its also a horrible double standard people have.

lets not forget they also call themselves semites hence the term "anti-semite" despite the fact that most are not semites...

don't forget jews are under the delusion of religion and in their religion they consider themselves a race superior to all others, despite calling others racist when everyone who is jewish is the very definition of racist. (btw racist is someone who feels a particular race is superior to another. acknowledging race or hating a race does not make you racist. also hating jews is technically hating a religious group like christians)

whats really sad and where zionism really comes in is that everyone has basically been having a huge double standard where jews are basically treated better then everyone else because they were supposedly treated very poorly in the past. whats fuked up is that many people were killed in the holocaust not just jews yet jews get special treatment, also you get more shit for saying you hate jews then for saying you hate whites, or blacks or beaners or whatever...

the whole point is that people are fukin stupid and continue to allow such ridiculous double standards despite the obvious contradictions. zionist are simply a group who take advantage of it. also jews are involved in everything just as much if not more so then free masons, yet noone wants to talk about it because of what i typed above...
Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:17 pm
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So you are saying that Jewish people cite no logical reason for calling themselves a race. That they simply do call themselves a race although Judaism is only a religion. I agree that "Jewish" is not a race, but I think there must be some logic behind Jewish people identifying themselves as a race. They must have some rationale, some explanation. The only logical explanation I can think of is that Jewish people believe that all Jews are descended from Jacob of Genesis. (Genesis 35:10-11; And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel, And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins.) Although I don't see how this could be possible, and I don't believe it is so, my question is, is this the reasoning used? Or are you saying they just do, for no reason other than that they just want to?
Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:13 pm
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peter griffin wrote:
So you are saying that Jewish people cite no logical reason for calling themselves a race. That they simply do call themselves a race although Judaism is only a religion. I agree that "Jewish" is not a race, but I think there must be some logic behind Jewish people identifying themselves as a race. They must have some rationale, some explanation. The only logical explanation I can think of is that Jewish people believe that all Jews are descended from Jacob of Genesis. (Genesis 35:10-11; And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel, And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins.) Although I don't see how this could be possible, and I don't believe it is so, my question is, is this the reasoning used? Or are you saying they just do, for no reason other than that they just want to?


yes, they are religious nuts who think they are a race because of religion, there are no atheist jews, they are a RELIGION and their religion says they are a race despite the fact that they are not.

however religion is hardly what i would consider logical in any way.

in regards to zionists, some food for thought, who has a beef with arabs/muslims? free masons or jews/zionists? and think who we are going to war with and for what reasons.
Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:48 am
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peter griffin wrote:
So you are saying that Jewish people cite no logical reason for calling themselves a race.


There is only a Human race. Inbreeding religious cults are only a race by their own definition.

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The only logical explanation I can think of is that Jewish people believe that all Jews are descended from Jacob of Genesis. (Genesis 35:10-11; And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel, And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins.)


That would make royaltys a race wouldn't it? You've also read the thread about Khazars?
Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:30 pm
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That would make royaltys a race wouldn't it? You've also read the thread about Khazars?


Yes, I suppose it would, bad logic on part. I'm not saying anyone is or is not a race, I'm simply asking by what reasoning do Jews consider themselves a race? I keep getting told that they "just do" without having any reason for believing this.

I have not read the thread about Khazars, but I will.
Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:52 pm
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When people speak of Zionism there seems to be different meanings. From the page on Zionism on this site I get that Zionism is mainly a political movement which uses deception/manipulation to benefit/create a Jewish state in Israel. But others speak of Zionism as something much larger. I'm aware of the fact that all over the world people in positions of power practice ancient religions, an "international priesthood" you could say. This religion, which predates Judaism and Christianity, is the basis of the three big western religions as well as Freemasonry, Rosicrucians and many other "secret societies" or cults. It sees to be somehow related to Kabbalah as well. Is this what others mean by Zionism? The "international priesthood" which seems to control almost everything?
Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:33 am
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Freemasons basically believe they're the direct descendants of King Solomon (a son of King David of the Pharez Judah line). King Solomon was the builder of Solomon's Temple aka First Temple aka Holy House of the so called Israelites. Solomon's Temple was supposedly built on Moriah, Jerusalem, in the Covenant Land of Jacob (Israel) around ~1000 BCE but eventually conquered by Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar of the Chaldean Dynasty of Mesopotamia (~586 BCE).

Masonic supremacist ideology is the same as that of Zionism (Judaism = Chosenness ideology). From the Davidic storyline, the Freemasons claim a messianic relationship via the Solomon Judaic branch with the Jesus character (who also spawns from the David line).

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Related:

• Geneaology: Descendants of David
• Davidic Dynasty: Family Trees
• King David Line: Adam to H.M. Queen Elizabeth II
• Descendants of King David to Meet in Jerusalem

Freemasonry is truly a branch of Zionist messianic supremacist ideology. The whole Chosenness / Messianic storyline for which pertains to Judaic bloodlines is the very engine that drives Freemasons (Zionists). Most of the high-level Freemasons both past and present claim to be descended from Zedekiah's branch from the line of Solomon through the merging between the twin Judaic branches (Pharez and Zarah). From the Zarah branch, the ancient Minoan civilization gives rise to the Cretan Monarchs (which also gives rise to the Scandinavian Kings and Trojan Kings, as well as the Scottish / Celtic / Gaelic / Goidelic royal bloodlines for which supposedly comes from a Spanish ancestry -- the Milesian line 1, 2, 3.

From the Milesian line, the successul invasion of Ireland spearheaded by the sons of Mil ' Espaine (Milesius aka Miledh) took place (~1016 BCE). The sons were Gede aka Ghedhe the Heremon / Ereamhon / High King, and older brother Eber / Ebher (Ebher is also another name for Hebrew). This was said to have occurred at the same time as when King David's rule in Israel was coming to an end.

This pointer is to be significant, for the British Israel World Federation mistake (perhaps deliberately) this Ereamhon who married Tea Thephi (daughter of Lughaid of the son of Ith -- who was an uncle of Milesius) in Spain for Eochaidh IV (a High King, 7th in the line of Ir) who married Tama Thephi (one of the daughters of the last king of Judah, Zedekiah) nearly half a milennium later (perhaps ~569 or so BCE) to eventually merge the 2 Judaic twin branches.

Upon the successful invasion of Ireland, the "royal" brothers established a town they called "Tea" (which later became more famously known as Temair (in Gaelic) aka Tara -- in Hebrew it translates to Torah and in Astrology, Tarot, as well as in Roman Mythology, as Terra or Tellus / Telus or Tera Mater / Matter the Earth Goddess aka Mother Earth 1, 2,3,4). It is that same location -- roughly Tara Hill -- that is rumored (one of many rumors... Rolling Eyes ) to conceal the so called 1, 2.

Related:

• King Solomon’s Temple: The Basis of Freemasonry
• The Coming of the Milesians
• Jeremiah in Ireland
• Jeremiah in Ireland? Fact or Fiction?
• Was Ollamh Fodhla King David of Israel?
• Jeremiah, Ireland, and the Dynasty of King David
• Hermon Hoeh's Compendium of World History: Ancient Ireland
• British Israel: Tea-Tephi - The fall of a princess
• Tea-Tephi Never Existed?
• Jeremiah, Ireland, the Stone of Scone, and the English Kings
• Coronation Stone: Jacob's Pillow
• Ancestors of Tea Tephi, Queen of Ireland: Daughters of The Kings of Judah
• Ancient history and the future of the Celts
• Israel's Symbols and Heraldry
• The Mystery of True Israel: The Descendants of Judah
• Pre-Milesian Irish Kings
• The Coronation Stone - Jeremiah in Ireland
• Jacob's Pillow, Lia Fail
• Old Irish Kingdoms and Clans
• Regarding Solomon's Temple
• The Symbolism of Solomon's Temple
• Masonic Desire To Rebuild Solomon's Temple Is The Driving Force Behind Events In Israel: Once Completed, Prophecy Will Be Fulfilled

Freemasonry is Zionism. The Judaic storyline being played out on a global scheme is essentially the same for the purposes of empowering these families who claim themselves to be "royalty" and "messianic" (Chosen). It is also NOT a coincidence that the word British in Hebrew translates to Berith which means Covenant Man. British (Covenant) House of Windsor and the Scottish House of Stuart Spencer, use this Judaic family tree to claim that they are related to the Jesus character and therefore have the Messianic blood. Based on the Davidic Covenant storyline, Queen Elizabeth's genealogy is linked to the Jesus character's genealogy.

The Merovingian Dynasty and the Knights Templar

Claiming to be descended from Noah and claiming Ancient Troy as their origin, the Merovingian Kings aka the Sons of Merovich -- Merovich translates to "Child of Mary" -- come out of the Germainic Frankish bloodline of the Zarah Judaic Branch 1, 2, 3. They were the Salian Franks 1, 2 who invaded the Romans and then established a Germainic Monarchy. Later on the monarchy faded into obscurity as the Carolingian Dynasty emerged to eventually rule what is now known as France, West Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, and the "Holy Roman Empire".

The French military order which came to be known as The Knights Templar (the special combat forces of the Holy Crusaders) could be traced back to the Merovingians. The Knights Templar were assigned several tasks; many of which pertained to the protection of Christian pilgrims to the "Holy Land". Their headquarters assigned to them by King Baldwin II (of Jerusalem) were on the Temple Mount (above the remnants of Solomon's Temple).

The decline of The Knights Templar began during the Siege of Jerusalem led by Saladin (~1187). Eventually the Papacy at the time (Clement V) along with the French King (Philip IV) went after them and had many of them executed. Some were able to escape to other areas of Europe, such as Scotland (excommunicated during that period by the Pope).

In Scotland, they chose (not by coincidence) Rosslyn Chapel as their sanctuary. You see Rosslyn Chapel may be very significant in all of this for it links the Jewish Temple through the Knights Templar to Freemasonry.

Related:

• Descendants of Clodius Merovigian IV, Duke of the East Franks Born 324 and Blesinde de Sueve Prepare
• The Trojan Origins of European Royalty !
• Direct Descendants of Zarah
• French History Timeline
• Order of the crown of Charlemagne in the United States
• James Tooke line to Merovee
• The Messianic Bloodline
• What Is The Role Of The Rosslyn Chapel In The Grail Story?
• Dark Ages and the Merovingians
• The Enduring Enigma of Rennes Le Chateau
• The Merovingian Bloodline

The U.S. Presidents are also related to each other within this Judaic / Davidic scheme. Click image below for more details:



Related:

• United States Presidents and Masonic Power Structure
• The Merovingian Ancestry of the 2008 Presidential Candidates
• The Phoenician Connection: Was Emperor Charlemagne Phoenician too, just like President Jefferson?
• What do Prince William and George Bush have in common? Blood, apparently.
• Who is the President of U.S.A.?
• Ancestry of George W. Bush
• List of Presidential cousins
• Barack Obama, Warren Buffett Are Distant Cousins
• Bush, Kerry & Hefner: Odd Cousins
• Some notable cousins
• Cheney and Obama cousins?
• Obama, Cheney, Bush related
• Obama related to Bush, Cheney, Churchill
• Sarah Palin's Upper Echelon Ancestry
• Obama is related to Brad Pitt while Clinton is cousins with Angelina Jolie, study says
• Are Barack and Clinton cousins in law?

How Zionists want it to play out

Freemasons / Zionists (Judaic bloodline conspirators) believe that Solomon's Temple will be rebuilt (for the final time) to fulfill their "Chosen" destiny in the End of the World agenda plot. To do this, they believe that the Temple Mount -- which could also represent the unfinished Masonic capstone -- in Jerusalem (currently occupied by an Islamic Mosque known as Al-Aqsa) should be cleared. In fact they want the entire land (World) cleared or significantly reduced of Non-Judaic influence so as to make way for their coming Messiah. Many Christians believe this Masonic Messiah to be the supposed Anti-Christ of the EndTimes prophecies.

Of course, the reality is, is that Christianity, just like Islam, are controlled denominations of greater Judaism. Therefore these seemingly oppositional fronts really only help to reinforce the Chosenness agenda that is being played out behind the scenes. I have a strong suspicion that all these religions are just designed to play out like a script-ure (like a movie plot of some sort) so as to subjugate our Humanity for the benefit of the "Chosen" few. I believe that the Jesus character himself which the Christians await to counter the Masonic Anti-Christ character IS the Masonic Anti-Christ character and any other Endtimes Anti-Christ character for that matter. Why? Because I suspect the whole thing is a religious scam on Humanity.

peter griffin wrote:
So you are saying that Jewish people cite no logical reason for calling themselves a race.


There is no logical reason for any people to call themselves a "race". Race is a societal construct 1, 2. There could actually be no biological basis for race according to scientists. We are all just variations of the Human genome which, just like all other things in life, undergo constant change through Time (curve). I challenge anyone anywhere to refute the notion that every single individual (in-divide-dual) is not exactly the same. As one Robert Anton Wilson used to say, "Groups are grammatical fictions; only individuals exist, and each individual is different".

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That they simply do call themselves a race although Judaism is only a religion. Their religious belief system is the motive for their a calling. I agree that "Jewish" is not a race, but I think there must be some logic behind Jewish people identifying themselves as a race. They must have some rationale, some explanation. The only logical explanation I can think of is that Jewish people believe that all Jews are descended from Jacob of Genesis. (Genesis 35:10-11; And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel, And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins.) Although I don't see how this could be possible, and I don't believe it is so, my question is, is this the reasoning used?


Yes. That's why it is a religion not a "race". Their whole concept of "race" is heavily dependent on said religious storylines for the purpose of divination. The problem with such a "destiny" which they have proclaimed for themselves is that it paves the way for supremacist incentives. Believing they are "Chosen" by a divine source to inherit "Covenant Lands" makes their value system supremacist by nature. This is the generic problem with the nature of religion, btw. Certainly, and because supremacist ideals tend to spawn from the nature of religion, it is not religion in on itself which is the source of the problem, but is the Human condition which still seeks to create external dependencies (such as religion) in this point in its evolution.

See, in order to effectively expose global Zionism, we must not only take into account its religious and political historicism, but also its contrived global "race" paradigm which constitutes supremacist ideals -- the very mind behind colonialism, cultural imperialism, genocide, racism, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, geo-politics, psychological warfare, the list goes on.

peter griffin wrote:
Freemasons are involved in almost everything, it makes me think there is more to them than meets the eye.


Yes. They're supremacist ideology can be linked back to the ancient foundations of the Abrahamism. Abrahamism in on itself is an adapted monotheistic personification of extremely ancient Astrological theology. The Theologization of Astrology is also the inspirational foundation for all religions throughout the ongoing course of our recorded history. Egyptian Sun Worship aka Egyptian Mythology (for which Atenism is also based on), Israelite Sun Worship, Lunar Worship (which could actually precede Sun Worship), and Pagan and Neo-Pagan Solstice cults (Latin derivation from Sol = Sun / Son, and Sistere, meaning Still / Sustain), are just a few examples of this externalization.

peter griffin wrote:
Spin off or denomination of what?


Freemasonry is a bloodline-based supremacist society dependent on Judaic stories which are derivative of ancient mythology. Everything is a spinoff of something earlier. You see the source of all our problems is not religion and its countless denominations and secret societies; for these are merely externalizations. The source of our problem is our Human condition which seeks to externalize itself from itself (which explains why we are driven to create external messiahs). Because we are bound to (religion means to be bound to) materialism (what we experience as "out there) instead of ourselves, we find ourselves to be dependent instead of in-dependent. Therefore we experience ourselves as "races" instead of selves.

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but reading Albert Pike (Morals and Dogma) and combining his writings with the fact that Freemasons are involved in almost everything, it makes me think there is more to them than meets the eye.


Asides from being a 33rd degree Freemason, "Sovereign" Grand Commander, Confederate General, and KKK leader, Albert Pike was also a Grandmaster of the Order of Palladum aka Sovereign Council of Wisdom (1737). Let's keep in mind that Palladism having originated from Egypt became an inner circle of Freemasonry in what came to be known as the Palladium of the Templars aka the Knights Templar (who were heavily involved in the Crusades in the defense of the Holy Land aka Zion).

Albert Pike was the successor of Hyman Isaac Long. You see, Isaac Long was a Judaic high level Freemason who was appointed Deputy Inspector General into Rite of The Royal Secret by several other high level Judaic Freemasons (such as Moses Cohen) in 1795. He (Isaac Long) became one of the players involved in helping establish (on May 31, 1801) one of the most powerful bodies in all of Freemasonry. This of course, being the Scottish Rite aka Mother Supreme Council of the World.

In fact, the foundations of the Scottish Rite in Charleston, SC. is interconnected with the Jewish Congregation as well (many of the same Zionists show up). Additionally, a very important figure in the direct formation of the Scottish Rite in Charleston in 1801 was Irish mason Thomas Bartholomew Bowen, Senior Warden of the Mount Zion Society (founded in 1777) aka Lodge #311.

Related:

• Charleston, SC Masonic Timeline
• Masonic and Scottish Rite Timeline
• Albert Pike: Three World Wars
• Friends of Mt. Zion Institute, SC.
• Bowen Timeline

peter griffin wrote:
Some people seem to classify Zionism as the root cause of ALL the problems and so-called conspiracies


It's not the root cause. There is a much deeper issue pertaining to the Human condition which organized Zionism is a significant part of. If you read some of my posts you will notice I tend to point at it. I can only point at it because I still haven't found a way to name it. All I can say is that it seems to be a substrate to all these externalized problems (including Zionism). It is an internal problem which will always go right back to the individual's frame of reference. It is very difficult to make sense of unless you are willing to incorporate the emerging QM scientific paradigm into your research. But not many researchers are willing to go that far yet.

We must realize that although Zionism is perhaps the most dominant known organized power structure destroying Humanity, it is our Human condition that perpetuates the system which those in power have been able to further exploit and use to their advantage.

peter griffin wrote:
Is Zionism about ruling the world, about eliminating religion, about destruction of the individual?


All of the above, except that it is a religion in on itself attempting to superimpose over other organizations by mostly using divide and conquer schemes and by controlling its "oppositions". However these are all external problems which only reflect a much deeper issue that goes back to the Self's first-person frame of reference. Ultimately, it is the individual destroying the individual.

peter griffin wrote:
When people speak of Zionism there seems to be different meanings. From the page on Zionism on this site I get that Zionism is mainly a political movement which uses deception/manipulation to benefit/create a Jewish state in Israel. But others speak of Zionism as something much larger. I'm aware of the fact that all over the world people in positions of power practice ancient religions, an "international priesthood" you could say. This religion, which predates Judaism and Christianity, is the basis of the three big western religions as well as Freemasonry, Rosicrucians and many other "secret societies" or cults. It sees to be somehow related to Kabbalah as well. Is this what others mean by Zionism? The "international priesthood" which seems to control almost everything?


Yes. That's why I've been trying in many of my posts to include Quantum Mechanics in all of this. For it is the science which effectively explains the Non-material / Holographic nature of reality. Those in highest positions of institutional power are aware of this occult knowledge and have been trying (with limited success through their secret compartmentalized societies) to use it to their advantage to control our Humanity. This same ancient knowledge which the Mayans, Sumerians, Egyptians, Native American Shamans, and even Kabbalists and so on, understood, is all based on the laws of Quantum Mechanics. They understood the nature of Time.

You see, in order to address global Zionism, we must consider its greater religious aspect and its ancient esoteric / occult roots rather than just its modern political historicism (example: the Dreyfus Affair and Herzl's initial gripe with it, etc). Although a relatively new term in political historicism, Zionism is based upon religious supremacist ideologies which have been in practice for millennia. Throughout recorded history Humankind has been fully engaged in globalization in the form of land-grabbing, racism, religious indoctrination, cultural imperialism, genocide, ethnic cleansing, psychological warfare, you name it. These actions are reflections of the Human condition. A condition that illustrates Humanity's position in its own evolution.

Because we have not been able to evolve past this phase -- at least not yet -- our needs, instincts, and actions are inter-dependent greatly on externalized references such as religion, racism, supremacist beliefs (driven by the "us" vs. "them" mentality), and of course, money. All of these externalizations make up part of the memetic substrate for which we (society) have come to be dependent on and identify ourselves with.

The only way to transcend this system is to transcend our current Self.
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