Radio Host Jack Blood, a patriot in the truth movement for many years, has decided to expose Alex Jones’ dirty tactics to destroy other patriots in the truth movement.:
Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:45 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
African American Exposes Zionist Shill Alex Jones
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An African American patriot, Frank from Florida, calls in to the Alex Jones show and challenges Jones to expose the Holohoax and then exposes him as a Zionist shill who offers no real solutions but just leads people chasing ghosts.
I DISSAPROVE of character assasination of ANY type. True, we should inform people if they have bad intentions but only if it is very well researched and also takes into account the GOOD THINGS they have done as well. Alex Jones has exposed a good amount of truth so it would be unfair to do an outright condemnation of his entire credibility on that regard, because people will miss the good things that he has pointed out and only focus on the bad things. If he has bad intentions, we need more evidence. True, he has not agreed with us as much on Israel or zionism and some of his theories are a bit far-fetched and over conspiratorial. Despite his 'allegiances' we have to follow the philosophy of "take the good, and leave the bad" from ALL sources - whether they be mainstream ones or highly niche 'bloggers'. There is a lot of grey out there and truth mixed in with falsity. We have to concentrate on reconciling the truth from the mess of half-truths and misinformation and gather a synthesis of truth taken from multiple sources. Hell, Hitler was an evil bastard but he pointed out a lot of truths about the way geopolitics and the sheep-minded masses operate. Let's think more carefully before 'compartmentalizing' people.
Regards
PP
Yes I completely agree, and am wondering what benefit do they have on exposing the fluoride that is in drinking water? And the vaccines that have been proven to have mercury in them and actually lead to you retreiveing the illness? Why are some things his says true? Disreagarding for a moment on his false aqusations.
Ok here a few things to point out ... what is the motive of Alex Jones to exploit the fluoride that is in tap water? Also vaccines, and how he warns people not to get them EVER...this has been confirmed by actual scientist and openly admited. Also what about GMO foods? Jones also exploits how you cant get any foods today that are not GMO or that contain harsh un-natural ingrediants? Which is blatantly obvious by anyone who can read labels. I see completely how he misinforms on issues in relation to 9/11 and who were the real masterminds, ect. But I cant seem to grasps the other issues? Someone please explain, because you do not list any of these topics in your debunking of Jones.
I think this mentality of 'exposing' people outright without giving a BALANCED overall view of their output is very immature and only serves to DIVIDE the truth-movement as opposed to unite it in purpose. I am not defending Alex Jones, but i certainly will not be convinced into slating his character outright or into character assasination. Your 'exposed' article is very imbalanced and does not show the good things he has done too. I think you should've done it far more sensitivley, telling people to be aware of any holes in alex jones' articles but also aware that there is some good stuff there too. People like Daryl Bradford Smith are nearly on the ball in terms of truth, but they still suffer from the same back-biting and character assasination disease that most internet users seem to suffer from. What happened to maturity?
This is why i am increasinly pissed off with the Internet as a medium. I remember the days when it first came out and there were lots of debates on bulletin-boards but most people followed the rules of 'Netiquette' and slander was kept to a minimum. These days you just see slander, character assasination, backbiting, pathological science, strawman arguments and poorly researched stuff smattered all over the god-forsaken web - designed to split up communities or to cause trouble (i am not referring to your 'exposed' article in particular btw) . It's become more about personalities than the truth. F*ck personalities, i don't care their allegiance, i just want the truth goddamn it.
Yes I completely agree, and am wondering what benefit do they have on exposing the fluoride that is in drinking water? And the vaccines that have been proven to have mercury in them and actually lead to you retreiveing the illness? Why are some things his says true? Disreagarding for a moment on his false aqusations.
I'm not making any judgement on Alex Jones, but you obviously have to tell some truth if you want to tell lies and disinfo, to build up people's trust. I don't usually watch or listen to him because I find both his style and voice irritating, and he doesn't really have anything of interest to me that I can't get elsewhere. He also has a tendency to be alarmist about little things. Some people seem to think he's a good guy because he has 'woken up' more people than anyone else and given them the opportunity to start researching for themselves. Whatever he is, I don't care. Everyone should know not to rely on one person/group for all their info anyway.
Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:42 am
alexclaton
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 817 Location: Hell on earth
TWE wrote:
Everyone should know not to rely on one person/group for all their info anyway.
Yes I completely agree, and am wondering what benefit do they have on exposing the fluoride that is in drinking water? And the vaccines that have been proven to have mercury in them and actually lead to you retreiveing the illness? Why are some things his says true? Disreagarding for a moment on his false aqusations.
I'm not making any judgement on Alex Jones, but you obviously have to tell some truth if you want to tell lies and disinfo, to build up people's trust. I don't usually watch or listen to him because I find both his style and voice irritating, and he doesn't really have anything of interest to me that I can't get elsewhere. He also has a tendency to be alarmist about little things. Some people seem to think he's a good guy because he has 'woken up' more people than anyone else and given them the opportunity to start researching for themselves. Whatever he is, I don't care. Everyone should know not to rely on one person/group for all their info anyway.
Yes that is the flaw I have noticed on this discussion bored; everyone is passing extreme and highly critical judgement on Jones and other "disinformist" with no substantial proof of your own other than shielded with different information on certain conspiracies. I have followed and listened to ALex Jones for a few years, sure ..but I personally do not prefer his tone or anger driven discussions he gets into ..that is just the way he deals with things for whatever reason. Lets not hit people with personality stabs or on their character, that is not making any point just making you sound like the enemy. I also love how anyone who puts blaim on Bush for 9/11 (which was in on it) even though he was not the sole person (there are the men behind the curtain) is atomatically a "truth seeking" disinformant ? Maybe some of them are truth seekers who got disinformed by others? But you cant say they all have negative intentions and are working for the other side. Of course research the things you hear or read in textbooks, thats obvious .....didnt realize that had to be stated here amongst what seems like a group of educated people.
Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:29 pm
alexclaton
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 817 Location: Hell on earth
you talk about people not giving proof and then say something stupid like "there are the men behind the curtain"...
who are these men you speak of and how do you know they are there, name some names or STFU!
so tired of hearing this boogie man none sense...
Alex jones has been caught lying on numerous occasions, he also deliberately tries to hog the spot light from others. he supports religion which is used to control ignorant people who believe in things without evidence.
I'm curious did you even bother to read through this thread at all?
Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:28 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
alexclaton wrote:
you talk about people not giving proof and then say something stupid like "there are the men behind the curtain"...
who are these men you speak of and how do you know they are there, name some names or STFU!
so tired of hearing this boogie man none sense...
Alex jones has been caught lying on numerous occasions, he also deliberately tries to hog the spot light from others. he supports religion which is used to control ignorant people who believe in things without evidence.
I'm curious did you even bother to read through this thread at all?
Agree. Alex has a network of people propagating this same nonsense all over the place. When I was spamming myspace, I'd get repeat generic messages to the tune of " I know Alex Jones in person and he is a good man!". -like it was scripted! Same like the person alexclaton is addressing. It's time to put up or shut up. Alex doesn't tolerate criticism of himself on his forums, why should we then tolerate empty, ignorant arguments that support him when they're known to come from an organized network?
you talk about people not giving proof and then say something stupid like "there are the men behind the curtain"...
who are these men you speak of and how do you know they are there, name some names or STFU!
so tired of hearing this boogie man none sense...
Alex jones has been caught lying on numerous occasions, he also deliberately tries to hog the spot light from others. he supports religion which is used to control ignorant people who believe in things without evidence.
I'm curious did you even bother to read through this thread at all?
Yes sir, I have. And thank-you once again for bringing up the concern that apparently Alex Jones does not use names of actual people or the claim that he has no proof and just refers to the mysterious men as the "illuminati" , "masonaries" ...ect...Thats complete bullshit. I have in my time seen a lot of Jones's documentaries .In End Game for instance he does include full names and almost list if you will of these "men behind the curtain" that is just a term that is feaseable to use when describing a an entire group of select indivduals or a whole family of crooks. I mean I dont know about you but when I want to mention these people Im not gonna sit here and run off a list of whos who running behind the scenes for your comfort. I am pretty sure you know who the Rothschilds are , when speaking of the bilderberg group...well he states who they are two...most of them are leaders of countries along with names like the Rothschild, Rockefeller, Kennedys, Bundy, now theres to name a few whom him always mentions along with groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Roundtable Group, Bilderberg Group, the Royal Institute of International Affairs. Now whether or not the proof he puts on the table can be labeled as truth, is now up to the individual, frankly there are so many conspiracies out there and so called evidence its really hard to know where to cifer misleading bs or some solid truth. So come up with something else to poke a stick at, or why dont you try putting together a documentary on what you believe to be going on instead of spending all your time on message boards calling people "Stupid" and abbreviating "shut the f up". If Jones can inform some truth for someone then so be it, we all can come to the same conclusion right? The system is corrupted whomever is behind or in charge be it the "zionists" or sexual intercourse this bilderberg group ..they are not out for our (the people ) best interest.
Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:21 pm
alexclaton
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 817 Location: Hell on earth
babybear321 wrote:
Yes sir, I have. And thank-you once again for bringing up the concern that apparently Alex Jones does not use names of actual people or the claim that he has no proof and just refers to the mysterious men as the "illuminati" , "masonaries" ...ect...Thats complete bullshit.
I was refering to you in the first 3 sentences, not alex jones....
YOU said "there are the men behind the curtain", and no I don't know what the fuk you mean because I'm not a fukin mind reader... hence why I asked you to specify names because in your original post you did not....
And in his older videos he did often refer to them as masons or Illuminati... of course now everyone just refers to them as "the elite"...
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I have in my time seen a lot of Jones's documentaries
And? So have I, whats your point?
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.In End Game for instance he does include full names and almost list if you will of these "men behind the curtain" that is just a term that is feaseable to use when describing a an entire group of select indivduals or a whole family of crooks. I mean I dont know about you but when I want to mention these people Im not gonna sit here and run off a list of whos who running behind the scenes for your comfort. I am pretty sure you know who the Rothschilds are , when speaking of the bilderberg group...well he states who they are two...most of them are leaders of countries along with names like the Rothschild, Rockefeller, Kennedys, Bundy, now theres to name a few whom him always mentions along with groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Roundtable Group, Bilderberg Group, the Royal Institute of International Affairs.
Great, now narrow it down to individuals and tell me how you plan to stop them... And you should refer to them as what they are and not as "shadow people" because if they can be identified clearly they aren't very shadowy...
Also what is each individual doing exactly.... if some are acting as a "group" then say which individual is in which group and their significance to that group...
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Now whether or not the proof he puts on the table can be labeled as truth, is now up to the individual, frankly there are so many conspiracies out there and so called evidence its really hard to know where to cifer misleading bs or some solid truth.
K for one you should know what counts as valid "proof" , preferably empirical evidence and not circumstantial evidence... If you cannot tell the difference between fact and fiction who are you to come in here and say anything to anyone....
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So come up with something else to poke a stick at, or why dont you try putting together a documentary on what you believe to be going on instead of spending all your time on message boards calling people "Stupid" and abbreviating "shut the f up".
Did you go and verify ALL the information in his "Documentary"?
Anyone with a camera can make a "Documentary"...
I don't make one because I fail to see how these "documentaries" help the situation and to be honest they appear to be more entertainment than fact...
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If Jones can inform some truth for someone then so be it, we all can come to the same conclusion right? The system is corrupted whomever is behind or in charge be it the "zionists" or sexual intercourse this bilderberg group ..they are not out for our (the people ) best interest.
Proof is proof and the truth is the truth, there is no need for interpretation... either its valid or its not... If you can't be arsed to verify ALL the information to figure out what is true and what isn't then how are you any different from anyone else?
here is some truth for you...
Holding signs outside someones property isn't gonna make "them" care or go away...
Making videos doesn't get people to actually do something about these so called "bad guys".
A lot of people talk but I still see everyone following "THEIR" rules...
What makes you any different and what do YOU plan to do about it?
What I'm Asking is that you explain the problem (as you perceive it) and what your solution is (and how that solution works...)
Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:23 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
babybear321 wrote:
If Jones can inform some truth for someone then so be it, we all can come to the same conclusion right? The system is corrupted whomever is behind or in charge be it the "zionists" or sexual intercourse this bilderberg group ..they are not out for our (the people ) best interest.
Again we come back to the argument that any defense of Jones can be used for the MSM. But wait, there's more:
You may want to consider motives like Alex Jone's wife being admittedly Jewish which means he has a stake in Israel. He tells us water is poison then sells us Berkey filters. He's making a living off sensationalizing already reported news. What's my motive? Atm I'm losing money on this site and never made more than 2 cents an hour on it.
It seems like you haven't bothered to check the information on this page: http://opposingdigits.com/alex/ which is what this discussion is supposed to be about. We're not about numbers here, and would like contributors. So far you've contributed nothing but negativity bringing down the value of this thread. At least look at the stuff so you can be on the same page or go join the countless conspiranut forums out there.
After reading this guys rips for a very long period of time I am shocked at his Oscar Nominee Front! Furthermore how blinded his misguided followers are! His sly tactics in supporting an option for his bosses stuns me by the amount of audience-(He fronts like a supporter of the people and against the strong arm to create a fan club). Oh but he covers his ground, when allowing posts by individuals that claim a risky act of retaliation in the name of The Constitution, that I'm sure he has do so. He along with his entire front is no more different than the enslaved mainstream media, having sl[a]ppass interns watch his website comments. Anytime someone uses their ideas and opinions to sway the masses to me, makes them no different than the scum that consider themselves elite. Whatever happened to "The Elite", being the ones that could provide for their people without dying or killed in the act of providing, keep all of God's creators safe from harm and most importantly have the support of the people. With all the pain in the world, that some say has been created by the evil scum, you would think that there were some out there that would really care and create a foundation but in retrospect look at all that have attempted this and their conclusion.
