Long Island Man Arrested For Defending Home With AK-47
Says Many Gang Members Were Coming After His Family
September 7, 2010 11:00 PM
UNIONDALE, N.Y. (CBS 2) — He was arrested for protecting his property and family.
But it’s how the Long Island man did it that police say crossed the line.
He got an AK-47 assault rifle, pulled the trigger and he ended up in jail, reports CBS 2’s Pablo Guzman.
George Grier said he had to use his rifle on Sunday night to stop what he thought was going to be an invasion of his Uniondale home by a gang he thought might have been the vicious “MS-13.” He said the whole deal happened as he was about to drive his cousin home.
“I went around and went into the house, ran upstairs and told my wife to call the police. I get the gun and I go outside and I come into the doorway and now, by this time, they are in the driveway, back here near the house. I tell them, you know, ‘Can you please leave?’ Grier said.
Grier said the five men dared him to use the gun; and that their shouts brought another larger group of gang members in front of his house.
“He starts threatening my family, my life. ‘Oh you’re dead. I’m gonna kill your family and your babies. You’re dead.’ So when he says that, 20 others guys come rushing around the corner. And so I fired four warning shots into the grass,” Grier said.
Grier was later arrested. John Lewis is Grier’s attorney.
“What he’s initially charged with – A D felony reckless endangerment — requires a depraved indifference to human life, creating a risk that someone’s going to die. Shooting into a lawn doesn’t create a risk of anybody dying,” Lewis said.
Grier said he knew Nassau County Police employ the hi-tech “ShotSpotter” technology in his area and that the shooting would bring police in minutes. Cops told Guzman he was very cooperative.
Grier also said he was afraid the gang outside his house was the dreaded MS-13. And Nassau County Police Lt. Andrew Mulraine, head of the gang unit, said MS-13 has 2,000 members in the county.
“They’re probably the most organized. They almost have a military hierarchy within the gang, so they are the most organized gang we encounter on a daily basis,” Mulraine said.
You may think a person has the right to defend their home. But the law says you can only use physical force to deter physical force. Grier said he never saw anyone pull out a gun, so a court would have to decide on firing the gun.
Police determined Grier had the gun legally. He has no criminal record. And so he was not charged for the weapon.
That ShotSpotter technology pinpoints where a gun has been fired within 35 feet. Police said it also detected two other shootings in nearby Roosevelt that night.
1. They threatened to kill him and his family. Is he seriously supposed to wait until it starts happening to defend himself? "OK, they just shot and killed my daughter, now I can start defending my family!" or [he can't defend shit because he's dead]. Neither of those sound like very good options to me. OK, let's say they are horrible shots and don't get any critical hits. Only then is he allowed to fire back? We've got to take bullets or almost get killed to justify defending ourselves? Why isn't the verbal threat enough? There are laws against that. Why aren't the cops following up on that crime?
2. How does a police officer respond to a verbal threat? I am pretty sure they don't ignore it. Whoever threatens a police officer will probably be drawn upon as the potential threat they just announced themselves to be and arrested. If police are justified in acting this way, why are the people not?
1. They threatened to kill him and his family. Is he seriously supposed to wait until it starts happening to defend himself? "OK, they just shot and killed my daughter, now I can start defending my family!" or [he can't defend shit because he's dead]. Neither of those sound like very good options to me. OK, let's say they are horrible shots and don't get any critical hits. Only then is he allowed to fire back? We've got to take bullets or almost get killed to justify defending ourselves? Why isn't the verbal threat enough? There are laws against that. Why aren't the cops following up on that crime?
2. How does a police officer respond to a verbal threat? I am pretty sure they don't ignore it. Whoever threatens a police officer will probably be drawn upon as the potential threat they just announced themselves to be and arrested. If police are justified in acting this way, why are the people not?
A verbal threat, backed up by twenty gang members, is certainly enough to justify warning shots in any reasonable person's judgment.
Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:54 am
alexclaton
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 817 Location: Hell on earth
he didn't even shoot anybody... he shot his lawn...
there is no controversy...
stupid people like the police and those who think there is controversy are the primary problem...
If he didn't shoot anyone the cops should either help him or gtfo!
This is a prime example of how fukking worthless the police are and is exactly why they need to be done away with, the guy could have easily killed those guys but restrained himself and shot his lawn instead...
of course cops are be biggest most organized (though not very) gang there is, and the only way they justify their worthless existence is by making more arbitrary laws so that way there will be more criminals so they can coerce people into paying for their awful fukking service....
people on this planet are way too fukking stupid...
