* Albert V. Burns of the John Birch Society
* Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz of Tetrahedron.org
* J.J. Johnson of SierraTimes.com
* Alex Jones of Infowars.com
* Richard Mack of Sheriff Mack
* Geoff Metcalf, WND Radio Host
* David John Oates of ReverseSpeech.com
* Cathy O'Brien of TranceFormation of America
* Mark Phillips of TranceFormation of America
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* Alex Jones, Honorary Founding Member of RSICC
o Approved December 24, 2001
Dr. Len Horowitz was a dentist, not a medical doctor. He uses the title "Doctor" to fool us so that he can pretend to be an expert on AIDS and other diseases. He also claims to be a Jewish Christian so that he can fool Christians into accepting him.
* Albert V. Burns of the John Birch Society
* Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz of Tetrahedron.org
* J.J. Johnson of SierraTimes.com
* Alex Jones of Infowars.com
* Richard Mack of Sheriff Mack
* Geoff Metcalf, WND Radio Host
* David John Oates of ReverseSpeech.com
* Cathy O'Brien of TranceFormation of America
* Mark Phillips of TranceFormation of America
Ben Klassen was born in 1918 in the Ukraine, to a wonderful Jewish family. When he was six, he and his family fled the Ukraine to try to start life anew in Saskatchewan, Canada. He was 22 when World War Two started, and as with most Jewish men, he sat the war out in college. He later joins the John Birch Society -- which is now known as a "smokescreen for the Jews". Next, he moves to Florida and participates in George Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign.
check it out - this organization speaks for itself.
The John Birch Society -- Exposed!
By John "Birdman" Bryant
Introductory note: In 1966, Prof Revilo Oliver (now deceased), who was co-founder (with eleven others) of the Birch Society and Associate Editor of its major organ, American Opinion, discovered that Robert Welch, the JBS's principal founder, was controlled by Jews, the purpose of said control being to harmlessly absorb and deflect the energy and money of patriotic Americans who wished to fight the 'international communist conspiracy', while leaving unmolested the Jewish-led conspiracy against America and Western civilization. In 1981 Oliver published America's Decline: The Education of a Conservative, in which he told the story of his discovery.
Edit: adding to issue of another founding member of RSICC - Cathy O'Brien,
says that Cathy O'Brian is a phony (as lot of people suspected long ago).
The question is now: Whom to believe?
The guy who with John DeCamp (also known as the most effective legislator in Nebraska) exposed child molestation ring in Franklin and managed to jail some prominent people like Larry King,
or Cathy O'Brien - an "eyewitness"
My comment: for all of you, who are new:
Alex Jones started to mention Zionism briefly last 2 months - he won't go into details. After those years of blackout, suddenly when people started to scream about it. Strange, isn't it?
Let's make a challenge.
It is not my intention to bring Alex down.
Our intention is to discuss everything to bring the truth out, isnt it?
If it will be Alex, so be it.
Call Alex on his shows and ask him about Zionism.
What does he think about 100% of top bankers are Zionists?
What does he think that more than 90% of mainstream media are owned by Zionists?
UPDATE: i found that
"Building of Kingdom of Heaven on Earth and establishment of Zion" (i.e. same goal as the goal of RSICC)
is the goal of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a.k.a. Mormons
- there are many sources to this - one of em here
http://deseretbook.com/mormon-life/curric/story?story_id=4426
which are EXACTLY the people which mr.Horowitz was promoting heavily in his lecture in "pirates of sacred spiral"
- everything goes back to caballism and its false reality.
Last edited by Benjamin Freedman on Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:19 pm; edited 5 times in total
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 108 Location: BC, Canada
Alex Jones has talked about Zionism long before the last few months, as I have heard with my own ears.
He also points out the correct FACT, that the so called "Zionist Jew international banking establishment" is not Jewish in practice, nor ar they semetic in ethnicity. SO how are they "Jews" aside from calling themselves Jews, so that they can mislabel anyone who talks about them as racists or anti-jewish?
Now you have taken many out of context quotes from the RISCC website, with the hopes of casting dispersion on Alex Jones. I cannot speak for the John Birch society, becaue I am not really interested in it, but there are many other important members in the organization for example Sterling D. Allan, Honorary-Active Member, Presiding Facilitator RSICC.
Contact:
email <sterling.d.allan@rsicc.org >
phone: 1-435-283-6340
fax: 1-734-468-1314
ground mail: 666 S. 60 E., Ephraim, UT 84627
RSICC
Affirmation
I, Sterling D. Allan, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I support the development of a constitution for the entire world as well as for nations, states and communities, that will protect the freedom and fundamental rights of all mankind, and that I will encourage the responsibility required for a person to thrive in this environment of freedom; that I will defend this cause against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to this cause; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office to which I am called to fulfill as my conscience directs: So help me God.
So please explain to me how that is Jewish Zionism again?
I would really like to know how you make that connection.
The Zion they talk about on that site, is the same as New Jerusalem from Revalations chapter 21, after all they are christians who believe we are living in the End Times, as the Biblical prophecies foretold.
Go look that up. Tell me again how it has anything to do with the modern day state of Israel?
The Zion they talk about on that site, is the same as New Jerusalem from Revalations chapter 21,
where in Revelation is connection of Zion to New jerusalem - show us the source.
Unless there is no proof, it is logical to assume that "establishment of Zion" is linked to Zionism, instead of connection of "establishment of Zion" to New Jerusalem.
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I cannot speak for the John Birch society, becaue I am not really interested in it, but there are many other important members in the organization for example Sterling D. Allan, Honorary-Active Member, Presiding Facilitator RSICC.
Alex Jones has talked about Zionism long before the last few months, as I have heard with my own ears.
What useful information did he gave out (edit: about Zionism of course, nobody disputes his other work)? Give us example please.
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I, Sterling D. Allan, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I support the development of a constitution for the entire world as well as for nations, states and communities, that will protect the freedom and fundamental rights of all mankind, and that I will encourage the responsibility required for a person to thrive in this environment of freedom; that I will defend this cause against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to this cause; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office to which I am called to fulfill as my conscience directs: So help me God.
That proves nothing. George Bush also swore to protect the constitution.
The beginning of that email:
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I, Sterling D. Allan, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I support the development of a constitution for the entire world
Constitution for the entire world.
Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:17 am
deathstickboy
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 108 Location: BC, Canada
If Zion or the New Jerusalem is to come to be, all individual persons must be ordered together by a public legislation, and all the laws of this public legislation must be the dictates of a common legislative power. In the New Jerusalem, the people, as a people, cannot itself be this power, for the laws of the New Jerusalem are moral (and thus inward, being neither externally imposed nor concerned with merely external behavior). There must therefore be someone other than the populace who is the common legislator of the New Jerusalem. In its foundation, however, moral law cannot be thought of as emanating purely on condition of a legislator's command, for then it would not be moral law, and the response proper to it as law would not be the free excellence of virtue but regard for its sanction and legality. Hence none can be the highest legislator of Zion unless the moral law he commands and makes effective is one with the dictates of eternal reason. Likewise, he must be one who knows the heart, who sees the inwardmost disposition of each person and who is capable of tailoring the ultimate consequence to the worth of the action as determined by moral law. This, however, is the concept of God as moral ruler of the world; thus Zion or New Jerusalem must be thought of as the people of God, ruled by eternal reason. Presented with this image, too, natural reason cannot help but regard it as an object of rational hope.
Now, it is indeed possible to conceive of a people of God under merely statutory laws; in such a system God would be legislator, but although the constitution of such a state would be theocratic, the actual government would be an aristocracy or oligarchy of human mediators. Such a system, being a system of positive rather than moral law, must be distinguished from the New Jerusalem, whose law is inward and moral, being a realm organized by the principles of virtue, and a people of God that is zealous of good works. Such a people are not a rabble or a mob, nor are they a rabble organized by a government, nor are they even a rabble organized by God through a government of priests. Rather, such a people is a spiritual temple, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's possession, who have been called out of darkness into his light. This idea is truly sublime; too sublime for human construction. For when human hands attempt to build this, they only (at best) create an institution that merely intimates to the sensuous imagination and the earth-bound intellect the possibility of Zion. This intimation, however it might be confused with that which it intimates, shows itself, on further examination, always to suggest also the impossibility of going beyond the merely intimating institution by human means. And, indeed, when we speak of human beings, how can one expect to make something perfectly straight out of such warped wood? To found a moral people of God, therefore, is a task whose consummation can be looked for only from God Himself, not from ourselves, however good we may be. Yet we are not therefore entitled to be idle, attending only to our own private moral affairs,as if the moral destiny of all humanity were a matter indifferent to us; rather, we must throw ourselves wholly into the establishment of the cause of Zion. The wish or hope of a virtuous people is always that God's kingdom come, and His will be done, not merely in heaven, but also on earth. A people under divine moral law is a church that, so far as it is united in God (the idea of such union being the archetype of what is to be established or instituted by us) may be called the church invisible. The visible church is the actual union of human persons into a whole striving to harmonize with that archetype.
Zion = New Jerusalem in the beliefs of christians who believe in the Apocolypse. This is really basic stuff and you are only demonstrating your ignorance. It has to do with the Return Of Jesus.
Tell me, what information about how "the Zionists control everything" is useful? What solutions does that "knowlege" provide?
Does railing on about it really help wake people up to the realities of the police state?
This is really basic stuff and you are only demonstrating your ignorance.
Where is "establishment of Zion" linked to New jerusalem?
Show us this basic stuff!
Since the Bible is the Book of christianity - please show us where in it can we find this link.
We dont wanna beliefs, we want facts.
The link you gave has some Memorial quotes which should be put in the Hall of Fame like
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For instance, why talk about Zionistic Jewish Banking conspiratorial infiltration, when you can simply talk about banking fraud.
All 13 major banking families claim to be Jewish and also happen to support Zionism ideology.
Why call it Zionist Jews conspiracy? :ROFL:
Let us call it a midget conspiracy ))
Are we gonna have serious discussion here?
Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:26 pm
deathstickboy
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 108 Location: BC, Canada
Did you not read the quote I posted or what?
Clearly you never clicked the links i provided, because you asked me to provide them when I already have.
Can you understand english?
Are you a Daryl Smith Bot or something?
Let me make something clear for you to understand. Poltical Zionism has only existed as an ideology for about 300 years. Have you ever heard of Barry Chamish? You should check him out.
The Kingdom of Zion has always meant New Jerusalem to biblical christains, and has never had anything to do with the land Palestine, as you can read for yourself.
The fact that you assume the word Zion means Palestine (Israel) and the physical city of Jerusalem only goes to show you how well the Poltical Zionist agenda has brainwashed you, to the point where you cannot even understand what the term means when biblical christians refer to it.
What are you beliefs? Are you a Catholic, pagan or an atheist? Why do you chose to ignore this well documented concept in favour of propagandistic nonesense?
You don't even understand the terms and you choose to ignore the explanation when its right in front of your face.
Its the same ideology that drove the Christain ideals behind the formation of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights.
As for the concept of talking about banking fraud verses Political Zionism, here is the concept for you. Its very simple.
People who are new to this concept have only ever heard the term Zionist in the media from the mouths of White Supremacists, and "Islamofacists", so if you say that word, they automatically react to you as if you were supporting those sick ideologies. Its innefective when it comes to waking people up the the global realities we are facing.
You will automatically be seen by their sheeple brains as a racist and/or a supporter of Islamic Terror.
BUT talking about HOW the federal reserve system works, and explaining fractional reserve banking to them, without ever mentioning these topic killing words, that have been purposefully planted and twisted by the media, you will open their mind to the reality of HOW this system works, and why its a scam, and how it really runs the way the world works.
Explain to them How its works, and they will find out the Who and Why on their own, of their own curiosity.
Also you "its all the zionist" daryl smith boot licking types always completely ignore the Vatican in all of this, which is an oversight so vast I can only laugh at you.
The Kingdom of Zion has always meant New Jerusalem to biblical christains, and has never had anything to do with the land Palestine, as you can read for yourself.
where in Bible is it?
Give me quote from the Bible.
In revelation 21 there is no such thing.
I read the Bible and was specially looking for it and found nothing, but since it is very long book, let's give you the chance to find it.
After all truth can't hurt the truth.
It is logical to assume that since the first founding member is from John Birch Society - exposed Zionist organization long ago, that "establishment of Zion" is connected to Jewish Zionism.
Also as "Slavo" pointed out about Mr.Horowitz - this guy took so many concepts out of Jewish Caballah,
check out that lecture http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.html?info_hash=e4083d28225305d5ce83a9ee85e7c9252328d2cf
.....sacred geometry, tree of life .....
After reading caballistic teachings and listening to his lecture everyone must see that he is Caballist using concepts of Caballah, which is with Babylonian Talmud the main book of Zionists.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity - in fact it totally contradicts it.
So Alex Jones wants to establish Zion with a Zionist, Caballist and some others.
In your post there are at least 3 insults.
It is easier to insult people than to have serious discussion.
From now on - unless you post links with direct evidence of your claims (not some interpretations based on beliefs), i won't talk to you in this debate.
Slavo spent couple pages and didnt get any fact from you and i dont have that much time as him now.
About our beliefs we can talk in different threads.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:39 am
funzone36
Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 707 Location: Toronto,Canada (biggest Canadian city)
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my beliefs are irrelevant for this discussion.
If you just believe The Kingdom of Zion has always meant New Jerusalem to biblical christains, and has never had anything to do with the land Palestine then there's no point in continuing this debate. However, if you don't believe that, then deathstickboy will take care of that. That's why your beliefs are relevant in this discussion.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:48 am
deathstickboy
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 108 Location: BC, Canada
Look, did you completely ignore the section I quoted, which by the way was written by Emanuel Kant.
The Zion they talk about is the kingdom of God described in Revalations here:
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Rev 21:9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Its pretty clear to me that "New Jerusalem" is portayed as the "Kingdom of God" IOW Zion, that will occur after the apocalypse. If you cannot get this, then there is really nothing more I can do for you. It seems to me you want to ignore the realities of Bibilcal Christian philosophy, in favor of supporting the fraud that is Political Zionism, as if it was actually a relevant belief and not made up bullshit. Christian "Zionists" are people who listen to Pat Robertson and his ilk, and support the Physical State of Israel as Zion, which if you read the RISCC website, you will find no evidence of. You claim the Word Zion is proof yet refuse to look at the evidence at to why that is completely wrong.
You constantly turn this into a paranoid "its all the zionists" situation. The Quaballah is not based on the Talumd. It comes from Egypt. Do your homework, and quit spreading disinformation and lies.
Your beliefs are indeed relevant. You seem to believe that anyone talking about the quaballah is a Zionist, and that is just foolish. I cannot even begin to explain the ridiculousness of that attitude.
You know what I watched Len Horowitz's video. I downloaded it a while ago. Nothing about the state of Israel in there.
Its about Sacred Geometry, which is not the sole territory of Political Zionism. Yes you are a fool, if you think it is.
You can cry if you want, but I call it like I see it.
Funzone
I try not to believe, i do everything to know.
And this is thread is ment to be about the facts, not about beliefs.
Deathstickboy, I read your whole post, there was no clear link from the Bible.
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It is clear to me...
If it is so clear to you, then where is the link?
You posted revelation 21 - where is "establishment of Zion in there"?
i never found clear link in the Bible - and to my knowledge there is none.
We want the link from the Bible, not from Kant.
Bible is the book of Christians, show us where is in Bible clear link.
"Clear link" mentioned 3 times, so we can make sure that you answer the question.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:18 pm
deathstickboy
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 108 Location: BC, Canada
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Zi·on (zn) also Si·on (sn)
n.
1.
a. The historic land of Israel as a symbol of the Jewish people.
b. The Jewish people; Israel.
2. A place or religious community regarded as sacredly devoted to God. 3. An idealized, harmonious community; utopia
Its the clear from the RISCC website, the context in which they mean to use the word Zion.
The very philosophy they talk about is based on that interprtation as supported by Emanual Kant.
This is a semantical issue, so focusing on it while ignoring the rest is very characteristic of disinformation. Your are taking the word out of context while refusing to accept the very clear context in which they mean to use the word on the site.
The passage in Revalations is self explanatory, I am sorry you cannot comprehend it.
I have nothing more to say on the matter, your insistence that it has anything to do with Poltical Zionism is pure delusion.
"It is clear from RSICC website, passage from revelations is self-explanatory"
- it is always so clear,
but never any proof.
Clear things can be easily proven.
Fact is - word Zion is not mentioned in Revelation,
- "self-explanatory" - there are hundreds of Bible interpretations and Thousands of interetations of Revelation - there is nothing "self-explanatory" especially in the last book of New Testament.
Clear things for example are:
1.Alex Jones is founding member.
2.Albert Burns is a founding member - he is from John Birch society - exposed as Zionist organization
3.Dr.LenHorowitz is a founding member - is talking constantly about caballistic concepts, - Babylonian Talmud and Caballah are the 2 main books of Zionist ideology.
Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:46 pm
deathstickboy
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 108 Location: BC, Canada
What does the Quaballah have to do with Zionist Ideology? Have you studied it or read anything about it that didnt come from Catholic or racial supremacist sources? I am curious to know. Its the same as saying anyone who is Jewish is a Zionist. Its total bullshit.
Otherwise just keep reciting your "its all the Zionists" mantra and see how far that gets you in waking people up.
I have said all I can say on the matter, but it doesn't seem to matter what I say, you will not be swayed anyways. You choose to ignore the points you cannot address. Its clear to me because I have actually studied in depth, the very ideology Jones claims to hold, and it is outlined above in the work of Emanuel Kant.
Any reasonable person, who doesn't foam at the mouth when they see the word "Zion" will be able to make up their own mind.
The Qaballah is a system Jewish Rabbis have been using for thousands of years to explain the acts of man, as well as to achieve oneness with the Godhead. If you are a Gentile (anything other than Jewish), under 40 years of age, or especially a woman, this information was not only banned to you, but you shouldn't even know this exists!
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Please note: this section is the bare basics; enough for you to use in spellwork. Should you find the Qaballah interesting enough to study further, I suggest a book entitled, "777 and Other Qaballistic Writings". It was originally writted by Crowley, but has got through some updating and editing over the years. Very helpful for Me!
Otherwise just keep reciting your "its all the Zionists" mantra and see how far that gets you in waking people up.
dont misinterpetate my words - i said Zionists own virtually all the money and 90% of media. I said this looks to me that they are the most complicit. Also i asked you to show me with proof that theres something bigger - "you chose to ignore me after that".
Interesting isn't it?
i care for truth only - whether you or anybody else wakes up, thats their business.
....and by the way Kant's name is Immanuel.
Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:39 am
deathstickboy
Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 108 Location: BC, Canada
Gee I spelled Immanuel Kants name wrong a couple of times, I suppose that means my entire arguement regarding the ideological philosophy he promoted, which is the same one professed by Alex Jones the RISCC should be thrown out then .
I am not interested in proving "who is behind it all" because that is entirely useless information in the grand scheme of defending freedom againt the onset of tyranny, which we are experiencing. Your not interested in waking people up?
What the sexual intercourse is your mission then?
Are you going to form a commando team and go "take out" all the Zionists?
How will you act on your beliefs? You don't care about waking people up, so in reality your just here to promote the concept that is all about Jews taking over the world, even though the people running that "take over" are not Jewish in reality, and are not semetic in heritage.
I was wondering how long it would take you to start drawing on racial supremacist sources for your reasons as to why "quaballah" is racist. Nice work. I know the next time I want information about white people the Black Panthers are just the people I want to talk to. When I want information about Christians, I will be sure to ask a Satanist.
If its forbidden to goyim, then why is there so much material on/about the quaballah put out by people who are not Jews, and are infact european? Perhaps I am wrong, but Crowley was not a Jew, nor is anyone else in any sort of Hermetic Order, like the OTO, Golden Dawn, Rosicrucians, and so on. Being in such an order would mean that your not a Jew, but a practitioner of "Majickal Adepthood".
Any serious researcher into the Quaballah will tell you that the "Jews" adopted it, they did not invent it. I am not going to argue about the Talmud, but it seems to me the same people who wrote the Talmud also wrote the Zohar, so what do you expect?
That does not reflect what the system is all about anyways, even the links and info you provided show that. At best there are some clear racist shadings in the Zohar, no doubt installed by the same people who wrote the Talmud. Its a shame the system of quaballah is actually spiritually universal, and has its roots in Eygpt, otherwise you might actually have a point.
