Jesus: Blood Lust, Torture, and Terror (Biblical Jesus)

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This is for discussion of Jesus as we are taught by the Bible; not for anyone's imaginary friend Jesus or Jesus from another book.

First we need to show that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament according to the Bible.

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	John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

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	John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

If no one rejects this, then we can move on....

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	Genesis 3:16 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

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	Genesis 7:23 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

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	Genesis 19:24-26 24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; 25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. 26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

-Were the women and children homosexual too?

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	Genesis 38:7 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.

-What did Er do?

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	Genesis 38:8-10 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

-KILLING SPREE!

Jesus plays mind games on Pharoah:

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	Exodus 10:1-2 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him: 2 And that thou mayest tell in the ears of thy son, and of thy son's son, what things I have wrought in Egypt, and my signs which I have done among them; that ye may know how that I am the LORD.

-You could continue the story and read about one calamity after another that Jesus causes on the Egyptians just for not being Jews.

Racist Rules of Slavery:

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Exodus 21:2-9 2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. 3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. 5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. 7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. 8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. 9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.

Endorses the Witch Hunts, and murder of other faith practicing people. Israel has a right to bulldoze Islamic owned houses, and kill Palestinians. God approves it!

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	Exodus 22:18-20 18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. 19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. 20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

RAMPAGE!:

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	Exodus 32:27-28 27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. 28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

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	Leviticus 20:9-10 9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. 10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Jesus Forgives?

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	Numbers 16:30 30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.

GODLIKE:

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	Numbers 16:35 35 And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.

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	Leviticus 26:29-30 29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. 30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

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Numbers 21:1-3 And when king Arad the Canaanite, which dwelt in the south, heard tell that Israel came by the way of the spies; then he fought against Israel, and took some of them prisoners. 2 And Israel vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou wilt indeed deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their cities. 3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.

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	Numbers 21:34-35 34 And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land; and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 35 So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land.

Kill and make sex slaves!

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	Numbers 31:17-18 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

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Deuteronomy 3:3-7 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves.

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	Deuteronomy 20:16 16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

Do we understand why things are as they are in Palestine now? This is from the Torah and is a part of Bible believing racist Christianity.

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Taking more verses and passages out of context are we?

Oh dear. I'm a Muslim, and i find the above offensive.

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	PersianPaladin wrote:
	Taking more verses and passages out of context are we? Oh dear. I'm a Muslim, and i find the above offensive.

Then show the context!

Take a shit or get off the bowl already..

pottytrain5

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	First we need to show that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament according to the Bible.

This is dogmatic IMO. You enter the Scripture of John 1 with a presupposition that Jesus is God. In all the Greek texts, they all point to him as God's Son. John 1:1 as usual is disputable on its meaning. For example, if the purpose of John was to make know Jesus was God, then why would he write:

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	(John 20:31) 31 But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, YOU may have life by means of his name.

So in THIS context, it pushes John 1:1 towards a more logical meaning which must be concluded on the context of all John.

Now as for Zionists that are taking this whole "my holy land" issue too the head, it is on their own head that they keep trying to uphold these laws that no longer fit them in the first place. They rejected Jesus, therefore Yehovah, Jehovah, Jah (whatever you want to call him) rejected them. Paul also alluded to that when he spoke of a spiritual Israel. Now if they were to read the rest of Scripture, even the ones in the OT which is more correctly called the Hebrew Scriptures, they would there too see how things would lead up to a Spiritual Israel since it was already prophecied that most of real Israel would turn their backs on their own God, trying to establish this "land" on their own.

So look, MORE killing:

(Ezekiel 9:9-10) . . .“The error of the house of Israel and Judah is very, very great, and the land is filled with bloodshed and the city is full of crookedness; for they have said, ‘Jehovah has left the land, and Jehovah is not seeing.’ 10 And as for me also, my eye will not feel sorry, neither shall I show compassion. Their way I shall certainly bring upon their own head.”

Most of Chapter 9 makes it very clear his displeasure with "his people". Then later in the same book he speaks of "israel" again, however out of "all nations." So even within their own Hebrew Scriptures one should conclude it was not all about "Jews" anymore anyway.

IMO, if anything, any sanctioned wars by God himself were miraculously won against other nations and for his very purposes, not the purpose of the Hebrews. Now that miraculous vicotories dont really happen, can they really say they are being backed by God? Especially when they themselves are allying with nations that do not serve their God the way their God would want? Wouldn't that be referred to the prophetic words of Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel when it spoke of Israel prostituting itself with the nations around? Which is why it again, said:

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	(Ezekiel 36:22) 22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Not for YOUR sakes am I doing [it], O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which YOU have profaned among the nations where YOU have come in.”’

Just my two cents regarding this whole "Zionist" movement that claim they have God's backing.

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He never existed... this is all symbolism... the bible has divine truths that are covered by all religions and each one has a different symbol!!!
The bible cannot be understood by the dead!!!

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	He never existed...The bible cannot be understood by the dead!!!

These kind of comments remind me of evolutionist comments, "God is dead!!!!111, evolution is fact and it is proven!!11!omgz!1omfg!11"

Just because there are those that say it is so, doesnt mean it is so.

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I never mentioned anything about God... I know there is a creator... but Jesus never had anything to do with him as man. It's all symbolism...
There is a creator and to think that people would categorize Him/Her/It to the God of the bible is simply ignorant to think that he would have a word for only those he gave it to... why did he stop writing, because times have changed and I know it's the divine principle... bla bla bla...

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I never mentioned anything about God... I know there is a creator... but Jesus never had anything to do with him as man. It's all symbolism...
There is a creator and to think that people would categorize Him/Her/It to the God of the bible is simply ignorant to think that he would have a word for only those he gave it to... why did he stop writing, because times have changed and I know it's the divine principle... bla bla bla...

If you are talking about Jesus and the Bible, then God or "God" as you would assume, is in the subject.

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	is simply ignorant to think that he would have a word for only those he gave it to... why did he stop writing, because times have changed

So let me get this staight, you think its ignorant to think that your Creator would have left you with something, such as a collection of writings? Hell, he must be one heartless creator then, "meh, let them vent for themselves and see what happens! After all, I a created them, I can do what I wish!"

It wasn't given to only one people, are you Jewish? Are you Hebrew? I'm not, and I have the Bible, wow.

Times may have changed but your Creator surely hasnt, and thats stupid on people in general, to think their Creator would change just because mere men have changed their views on things.
Rolling Eyes

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I'm pretty sure he was refering to God not giving the Bible to everyone.

He certainly didn't give it to me. I paid for it, and then found it was a corrupt version so I paid for another, then again found it was corrupt, so got yet another and found it to be so incredibly bad: http://www.opposingdigits.com/FalseApostle/ that I wouldn't buy another copy. This book has caused so much slaughter, baby genitalia mutilation, molestation, murder, torture, war, hoaxes, con artists, etc.

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re the policy of utter destruction of the enemy in the OT

Navarre Bible commentary : Israel is told to obey these instructions to the letter, to void being contaminated by the idolatory of the Canaanites. A policy which seems quite incomprehensible, savage and inhuman, it needss to be seen in its historical context and to be set in the framework of the gradual development of divine revelation. Total destruction of the enemy was commonplace in antiquity, but the biblical laws about it were very strict; it could actually deter people from ungodly war: if all booty must be destroyed (treasure, livestock, or persons who could be turned into servants or slaves), then there is no point in embarking on war out of greed or for aggrandisement. Even so, we need to bear in mind that this was a temporary law, for that time only, so neither this nor any other passage oh Holy Scripture can be used to justify the use of violence or criminal behaviour. God's revelation to man was a gradual process culminating in the incarnation of the Word.

The preaching of Jesus is the true reference point as regards respect for life and for the lawfully held property of others. In the sermon on the mount our Lord said, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good and sends rain on the just and on the unjust (Matthew 5:44-45)

In mystical writing we find allegorical interpretations of this commandment to the effect that the soul needs to be detached from everything in order to draw closer to God. Thus, St John of the Cross comments that this order about total destruction is given 'so that we may understand that to enter into union with the divine evrything that lives in the soul must die, what is great and small, of much worth or of little, and the soul must remain without lust for it all' (Ascent of Mount Carmel 1,11,8).

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	Psalm 19:7 7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Perfect doesn't require commentary

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You are an angry sad person. I am sorry for what ever happened to you. There are so many good people in the world of all religions Christian, Muslem, it doesn't matter. You are so filled with hate you may never know. That is why you feel the need to start so many threads dealing with the same subject. Once you are shown to be short shighted in one you just flee to the next hate filled thread. You are wrong about humanity and life in general. Good exists, Whether you will participate in it is up to you.

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fake_fakerson

who said here that there are no good christians, muslems and jews, budhists, hinduists?

your argument about bible is zero,
therefore you result in emotional play.

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	Benjamin Freedman wrote:
	fake_fakerson who said here that there are no good christians, muslems and jews, budhists, hinduists? your argument about bible is zero, therefore you result in emotional play.

this whole exchange is emotional play. We are talking about a fictional document.

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	this whole exchange is emotional play. We are talking about a fictional document.

It isn't fiction to xians, and your defense of it calls your motives into question.