Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Christianity vs Satanism
Since some of us are being accused of being Satanists here (by Christians: similar to being called anti-semite which is also baseless); lets examine what this means...
If we are to trust what we know of Satanism from the Jewish spawned Bible; then we could similarily trust what we know of YHWH from Satanism. -Fair right?
If we are to trust what Anton LaVey or whoever says about Satanism; then we can equally trust what Tom Cruise, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn or the Pope has to say about Christianity right?
If there was a religion of peace called Satanism, and the Christian religion; Satanists would surely have been wiped it out based on Christianity's own genocidal history according to the Bible, the inquisitions, crusades, witch hunts, divine laws, etc etc.
Satanism predates known Christianity (the Bible) and since Christianity has been in control of history and perceptions on Satanism; we really can't trust any modern literature about Satanism; we can however trust what Christianity (through the Bible) says about itself! Similarily we won't refer to articles like the book of Mormon, the watchtower, etc if Christians don't refer to modern so called Satanic literature.
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 817 Location: Hell on earth
satan wanted us to know the truth... god(s) wanted us to be ignorant... (refering to the whole tree of knowledge thing)
perhaps roles were reversed, perhaps god(s) is really satan(s) and satan/snake is really god trying to help us escape the clutches of evil beings.....
satan also had the balls to stand upto god(s)...
christians have the nerve to say dont rebel against the system and other things that are wrong cuz satan rebeled against god(s)...
christianity/catholicism/every variation thereof has shown itself to be hateful lunacy... satanism(which doesnt actually worship satan) promotes free thought and self reliance/responsibility...
i dont know about u but ive never had a satanist told me i HAVE to believe in their relgion, however ive had hundreds of christians tell me i HAVE to believe in theirs or imma burn/suffer for eternity...
Since some of us are being accused of being Satanists here (by Christians: similar to being called anti-semite which is also baseless); lets examine what this means...
If we are to trust what we know of Satanism from the Jewish spawned Bible; then we could similarily trust what we know of YHWH from Satanism. -Fair right?
If we are to trust what Aleister Crowley or whoever says about Satanism; then we can equally trust what Tom Cruise, Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn or the Pope has to say about Christianity right?
If there was a religion of peace called Satanism, and the Christian religion; Satanists would surely have been wiped it out based on Christianity's own genocidal history according to the Bible, the inquisitions, crusades, witch hunts, divine laws, etc etc.
Satanism predates known Christianity (the Bible) and since Christianity has been in control of history and perceptions on Satanism; we really can't trust any modern literature about Satanism; we can however trust what Christianity (through the Bible) says about itself! Similarily we won't refer to articles like the book of Mormon, the watchtower, etc if Christians don't refer to modern so called Satanic literature.
-So what do Christians legitimately have against Satanism?
You are angry. I understand, but what you spout is hate, and lies. I am sorry to tell you so bluntly. You are a hate filled liear.
Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:43 pm
alexclaton
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 817 Location: Hell on earth
Re: Christianity vs Satanism
fake_fakerson wrote:
You are angry. I understand, but what you spout is hate, and lies. I am sorry to tell you so bluntly. You are a hate filled liear.
why do u defend christianity if u are not christian... why do u defend hateful religions that lay waste to those that dont confrom/convert?
u say we are filled with hate... tell me, do u think christains are filled with love? false love perhaps... and thats whats eating at the core of humanity... ppl fooled by false love...
You are angry. I understand, but what you spout is hate, and lies. I am sorry to tell you so bluntly. You are a hate filled liear.
why do u defend christianity if u are not christian... why do u defend hateful religions that lay waste to those that dont confrom/convert?
u say we are filled with hate... tell me, do u think christains are filled with love? false love perhaps... and thats whats eating at the core of humanity... ppl fooled by false love...
Many Christians area filled with hate. I do not defend them. I do know hate when I see it. you and this site are filled with it. I have no love for religion or christianity.
Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:00 pm
alexclaton
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 817 Location: Hell on earth
Re: Christianity vs Satanism
fake_fakerson wrote:
alexclaton wrote:
fake_fakerson wrote:
You are angry. I understand, but what you spout is hate, and lies. I am sorry to tell you so bluntly. You are a hate filled liear.
why do u defend christianity if u are not christian... why do u defend hateful religions that lay waste to those that dont confrom/convert?
u say we are filled with hate... tell me, do u think christains are filled with love? false love perhaps... and thats whats eating at the core of humanity... ppl fooled by false love...
Many Christians area filled with hate. I do not defend them. I do know hate when I see it. you and this site are filled with it. I have no love for religion or christianity.
then stop defending it...
based on ur logic if im filled with hate then so are u...
You are angry. I understand, but what you spout is hate, and lies. I am sorry to tell you so bluntly. You are a hate filled liear.
why do u defend christianity if u are not christian... why do u defend hateful religions that lay waste to those that dont confrom/convert?
u say we are filled with hate... tell me, do u think christains are filled with love? false love perhaps... and thats whats eating at the core of humanity... ppl fooled by false love...
Many Christians area filled with hate. I do not defend them. I do know hate when I see it. you and this site are filled with it. I have no love for religion or christianity.
then stop defending it...
based on ur logic if im filled with hate then so are u...
if ur gonna claim we are hateful explain why...
your very posts show you hatered.
Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:05 pm
alexclaton
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 817 Location: Hell on earth
Re: Christianity vs Satanism
fake_fakerson wrote:
alexclaton wrote:
fake_fakerson wrote:
alexclaton wrote:
fake_fakerson wrote:
You are angry. I understand, but what you spout is hate, and lies. I am sorry to tell you so bluntly. You are a hate filled liear.
why do u defend christianity if u are not christian... why do u defend hateful religions that lay waste to those that dont confrom/convert?
u say we are filled with hate... tell me, do u think christains are filled with love? false love perhaps... and thats whats eating at the core of humanity... ppl fooled by false love...
Many Christians area filled with hate. I do not defend them. I do know hate when I see it. you and this site are filled with it. I have no love for religion or christianity.
then stop defending it...
based on ur logic if im filled with hate then so are u...
if ur gonna claim we are hateful explain why...
your very posts show you hatered.
explain
Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:06 pm
stOneskull
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 820 Location: Australia
speaking for myself, i am not a satanist nor satanic,
In his famous book Mere Christianity, Lewis makes this statement, "A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic - on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg - or he would be the devil of hell. You must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us."
Who is Jesus of Nazareth to you? Your life on this earth and for all of eternity is affected by your answer to this question.
All other religions [such as Hinduism, Buddhism. Confucianism, Shintoism, and Islam] were founded by human beings and are based on man-made philosophies, rules and norms for behavior. Take the founders of these religions out of both their disciplines and practices of worship and little would change.
But take Jesus Christ out of Christianity, and there would be nothing left. Biblical Christianity is not just a philosophy of life, nor an ethical standard, nor obedience to religious ritual. True Christianity is based on a vital, personal relationship with a Risen Founder who is our living Savior and Lord.
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 820 Location: Australia
i don't know.
jesus didn't write the new testament, mate.
what do you know of jesus that is written outside of the new testament?
and why do you believe he was more than just a man?
the sun, or sol as the romans called him, had stories about him.
the four seasons, the four stages of the sun thru the year,
the whole cycle of the earth and sun passing by the constellations,
is a big story..
and jesus, and moses, and noah, and all these characters
represent these stories.
the constellations aren't really lions and fish and scorpions of course,
they are just stars..
the lies are multi-leveled.
a real truth?
the sun does give itself for us to live..
it does provide the light and energy we need to live.
the sun has the whole world in his hands,
and there have been a lot of good people thru history saying 'be good'
doesn't mean you say any of these men are the literal offspring of some man in the sky.
it's ridiculous,
and i can almost see a term like 'anti-semitic' being used against me.
good!
i think organised religions are retarded!
they're messing up the minds of the world.
Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:59 pm
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Christians tend to call things that aren't Judeo-based Satanic. Lets look at what we know about the Native Americans before colonizing with Judeo-Christians.
Weren't we taught that they revered all life, and thanked the animals they killed? Could this have been true Satanism? When colonists came down with scurvy: did they not have the cure for it but it was rejected by the Judeo-Christian doctors? What happened to these benevolent people who had a religion contrary to Christianity? These people who weren't obsessed with owning land, and riches. People who gave back to the land what they took. Who treated the invaders with a hostile religion as guests.
Lets not forget that Satanism likely predates Christianity and perhaps even Judaism. Satan was included in the oldest books of the Bible so it appears to be at least as old as Judaism.
Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:21 am
stOneskull
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 820 Location: Australia
the world was polytheistic before going monotheistic/duotheistic.
native americans, south americans, europeans, africans, australians, asians..
all polytheistic.
who is satan in polytheism?
or examples of who satan is in the old civilisations?
Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:33 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Even according to the Christian Bible; Satan appears better!
YHWH:
Exodus 32:27 27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Satan:
Job 1:12 12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
Here we see that though Satan was used (according to the Judeo-Christian Bible) as a tool to afflict Job; it was LORD that authorized it! Lets step back and see what prompted this action...
Job 1:8-11 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Picture YHWH as a judge, and Satan as a police man incited to jealousy.
Now don't get me wrong here... I do not accept what the Judeo-Christian Bible or Torah has to say about Satan at all. I'm merely pointing out that even in their own book that Satan isn't nearly as treacherous as YHWH.
Now imagine that Satan actually fills a role in polytheism. Consider that we may have been developed by superior beings or "polytheistic" gods. Is it the good honest beings that shape the world and write history, or the ruthless dictators? Are there really gods or a god or just superior beings? Do we allow human pride to interfere with our rational thought? Christianity plays off of this pride:
Romans 8:14 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:03 am
madthumbs
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 8599 Location: Fingerlakes - NY usa
Depiction of an obedient Christian:
Titus 1:2 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
So Jesus is God, and God cannot lie:
John 6:53 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
This site theorizes why Jesus' tomb was found empty:
