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Chlorine / Bleach
Introduction:
There are now mandatory 3 basin sinks for dish washing in food service establishments. The first stages of washing involve scraping, and rinsing, the first basin is used to wash with detergent, the second basin is to rinse the detergent, the third basin is for sanitizing. The sanitizer often uses a dilution of sodium-hypochlorite (or bleach) or quaternary ammonium (quat sanitizer). In the sanitizing basin, many may notice that a slime or sludge accumulates along the walls of this final basin just before drying. It's surprisingly most often worse at this stage than the previous ones. If you've noticed this, then you've seen how fat and starch reacts when exposed to bleach.
Does this chemical reaction take place in or on our bodies?
In Epidemiology Franz H. Rampen from The Netherlands, stated that the worldwide pollution of rivers and oceans and the chlorination of swimming pool water has led to an increase in melanoma. (May 1992; 3(3): 263-5). Melanoma is one of the fastest growing cancers.
We're told that Chlorine is added to our water supplies to kill dangerous bacteria, viruses, and microbes, that it's more important than the fact that it's estimated to be the cause of ~10% of cancers.
Fat isn't the only substance that has a chemical reaction with bleach:
Chlorine also reacts to organic matter such as decaying leaves to produce THMS or TriHaloMethanes (includes chloroform), and ammonia (which can be found in urine) to form chloramine which if breathed can cause severe respiratory distress.
What is Chlorine?
Quote:
Chlorine \Chlo"rine\, n. [Gr. ? pale green, greenish yellow. So
named from its color. See {Yellow}.] (Chem.)
One of the elementary substances, commonly isolated as a
greenish yellow gas, two and one half times as heavy as air,
of an intensely disagreeable suffocating odor, and
exceedingly poisonous. It is abundant in nature, the most
important compound being common salt (Sodium chloride). It is
powerful oxidizing, bleaching, and disinfecting agent. Symbol
Cl. Atomic weight, 35.4.
[1913 Webster]
{Chlorine family}, the elements fluorine, chlorine, bromine,
and iodine, called the {halogens}, and classed together
from their common peculiarities.
[1913 Webster]
You can find traces of Chlorine in body fat, breast milk, and semen.
How effective is water Chlorination?
We're not protected from some of the deadliest threats from our water supply. Cryptosporidium is a toxic parasite, and is highly chlorine resistant. Sand filters do not adequately remove this protozoan.
Is Chlorine or Bleach necessary, or are there alternatives?
Ozonation is being used in some cities and is a very effective disinfectant. Ozone breaks down quickly which makes it not suitable for use in a large water distribution system. Some allege that Ozone has the potential to cause it's own chemical reactions and by-products, while we know a lot about chlorine thanks to over 100 years of it's use. It seems like if Ozone was a threat in any way, it would have been revealed in a study before being unleashed on the public in remote cities.
Researchers at Virginia Tech have discovered that the use of anti-bacterial soaps may be directly exposing people to significant quantities of chloroform, which is classified by the environmental protection agency as a probable human carcinogen. This two-minute video clip examines the issue. Research showed that when the chemical triclosan, present in many anti-bacterial soaps, reacts with chlorine in tap water, chloroform is produced. Triclosan is found in everything from cosmetics to lotions to acne treatments. Researchers discovered that the chloroform produced when the antimicrobial soap containing triclosan mixes with chlorinated water could be absorbed through your skin or inhaled.
Nassau County NY forces small town to chlorinate water
Here in Bethpage on Long Island we had the "best tasting drinking water in NY" for years. We were the last town in Nassau County to have pure drinking water, no treatment at all, it wasn't necessary, our water is clean. Beginning July 10, 2010 Nassau County Department of Health won a court case forcing Bethpage to add chlorine to the drinking supply. I guess it's time for a good filtration system.
The reason given by NCDOH, certainly on orders from higher up, last I heard it was DHS, we MUST now drink poison to protect us from biological terrorist attacks on our water supply.
Quote:
In 2007, to protect the public from biological terrorism, NCDH adopted a policy which would disallow any waivers for public water systems serving communities with populations larger than 3,300 people. As a result, when petitioner – which serves over 3,300 people – applied for a chlorination waiver for the years 2008 to 2011, NCDH denied the application.
Highly reactive chlorine is one of the industrial waste products profitably disposed of using people as garbage cans,8 then on into the environment. Chlorine oxidizes lipid contaminants in the water. It thus creates free radicals,2 (highly reactive atomic or sub-atomic particles lacking an electron) and oxysterols (formed when lipid and oxygen molecules combine).9,10
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In a study of more than 5,000 pregnant women in the Fontana, Walnut Creek and Santa Clara areas of California, researchers from the state health department found that women who drank more than five glasses a day of tap water containing over 75 parts per billion (ppb) of THMs had a 9.5 percent risk of spontaneous abortion, i.e. miscarriage. Women less exposed to the contaminants showed 5.7 percent risk; no comparison was given for women who in-gested no THMs.21
Industrial chemist J.P. Bercz, showed in 1992 that chlorinated water alters and destroys unsaturated essential fatty acids (EFAs),15 the building blocks of human brains and central nervous systems.16 The compound hypochlorite, created when chlorine mixes with water, generates excess free radicals; these oxidize EFAs, turning them rancid.
Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:13 am
UncoveredTruth
Joined: 02 Feb 2011 Posts: 6 Location: Louisville, KY
Re: Chlorine / Bleach
madthumbs wrote:
Introduction:
There are now mandatory 3 basin sinks for dish washing in food service establishments. The first stages of washing involve scraping, and rinsing, the first basin is used to wash with detergent, the second basin is to rinse the detergent, the third basin is for sanitizing. The sanitizer most often uses a dilution of sodium-hypochlorite (or bleach). In the sanitizing basin, many may notice that a slime or sludge accumulates along the walls of this final basin just before drying. It's surprisingly most often worse at this stage than the previous ones. If you've noticed this, then you've seen how fat reacts when exposed to bed rails.
Does this chemical reaction take place in or on our bodies?
In Epidemiology Franz H. Rampen from The Netherlands, stated that the worldwide pollution of rivers and oceans and the chlorination of swimming pool water has led to an increase in melanoma. (May 1992; 3(3): 263-5). Melanoma is one of the fastest growing cancers.
We're told that Chlorine is added to our water supplies to kill dangerous bacteria, viruses, and microbes, that it's more important than the fact that it's estimated to be the cause of ~10% of cancers.
Fat isn't the only substance that has a chemical reaction with bleach:
Chlorine also reacts to organic matter such as decaying leaves to produce THMS or TriHaloMethanes (includes chloroform), and ammonia (which can be found in urine) to form chloramine which if breathed can cause severe respiratory distress.
What is Chlorine?
Quote:
Chlorine \Chlo"rine\, n. [Gr. ? pale green, greenish yellow. So
named from its color. See {Yellow}.] (Chem.)
One of the elementary substances, commonly isolated as a
greenish yellow gas, two and one half times as heavy as air,
of an intensely disagreeable suffocating odor, and
exceedingly poisonous. It is abundant in nature, the most
important compound being common salt (Sodium chloride). It is
powerful oxidizing, bleaching, and disinfecting agent. Symbol
Cl. Atomic weight, 35.4.
[1913 Webster]
{Chlorine family}, the elements fluorine, chlorine, bromine,
and iodine, called the {halogens}, and classed together
from their common peculiarities.
[1913 Webster]
You can find traces of Chlorine in body fat, breast milk, and semen.
How effective is water Chlorination?
We're not protected from some of the deadliest threats from our water supply. Cryptosporidium is a toxic parasite, and is highly chlorine resistant. Sand filters do not adequately remove this protozoan.
Is Chlorine or Bleach necessary, or are there alternatives?
Ozonation is being used in some cities and is a very effective disinfectant. Ozone breaks down quickly which makes it not suitable for use in a large water distribution system. Some allege that Ozone has the potential to cause it's own chemical reactions and by-products, while we know a lot about chlorine thanks to over 100 years of it's use. It seems like if Ozone was a threat in any way, it would have been revealed in a study before being unleashed on the public in remote cities.
Researchers at Virginia Tech have discovered that the use of anti-bacterial soaps may be directly exposing people to significant quantities of chloroform, which is classified by the environmental protection agency as a probable human carcinogen. This two-minute video clip examines the issue. Research showed that when the chemical triclosan, present in many anti-bacterial soaps, reacts with chlorine in tap water, chloroform is produced. Triclosan is found in everything from cosmetics to lotions to acne treatments. Researchers discovered that the chloroform produced when the antimicrobial soap containing triclosan mixes with chlorinated water could be absorbed through your skin or inhaled.
I never use chlorine in my hot tub anymore after noticing some of these articles a few years back. Some notes about the switch I made:
My skin used to react and I was diagnosed with Eczema, since I switched chemicals my skin has returned to normal and my doctor has concluded that it was indeed the chlorine drying out my skin even after i tested negative for allergies.
I am now paying much less money to maintain my hot tub, in fact I am considering just switching to nothing but water. No chemicals at all.
I think this case study alone should prove that chlorine may not be the way to go. I try to share this story with everybody I know who could be affected, please feel free to spread the word.
Smart move. On my end, I installed an in-line water filter in my shower to remove the chlorine. I'd love to get a whole-house filtration system, but I'm currently living at someone else's house and they cost too much to install and then leave behind.
We are all ecosystems. Many species of bacteria live on and in us. Mostly benign, some we cannot live without (including one which prevents depression). It's likely that these benign microbes protect us from more harmful microbes. Even hospital wards struggle to remain sterile, the idea of sterilising our homes and bodies is ludicrous.
Also antibacterial wipes give a false sense of security. If your hands aren't scrubbed they aren't clean,antibacterial agents or no.
The waste water from my house goes into my organic vegetable garden. Bacteria are necessary there. I now find myself reading ingredients on soap packets that my guests bring. I prefer my own soap made from fat, herbs orange peel and lye
